The zine through which we at Corroseum became aware of you, is entitled »Enlightened Chaos«. In the beginning it was just »Chaos«, but it later became »enlightened«. When and how had this transition occured?
Actually, issue #1 was called METAL MAELSTRÖM. After that, it was CHAOS for awhile, then ENLIGHTENED CHAOS, then CHAOS REALM. Just had fun with the name.
By the time of issue #22 the zine editorial seemed to be experiencing a strong surge of interest in the 70's and 60's. How had that happened?
I always had an interest in 60’s and 70’s rock, before metal came along. In fact, most of my favorite music is from the 70’s. Always has been.
Have you ever experienced any negativity towards those older bands that you featured in the zine? We are asking that as much of the music from that earlier era was somewhat dismissed, or at least undervalued, by many in that time period.
No, not really. I don’t remember any negativity toward the older stuff I wrote about.
Were those older bands surprised (maybe even confused or suspicious?) that there was still interest in their music then, as not many publications were reaching out to them at that time?
Yeah, some of the ones I contacted were pretty pleased that someone was interested. I’d say that was the general reaction: a kind of humble thanks they had. To a one, they were always very gracious and generally pleased.
What was covered in those issues that we are still missing?
There were hundreds of bands covered, I don’t have any list. In fact, this may surprise you but I only have copies of a couple issues myself. I’d had one of each, but I lost them in a black mold issue at my old house several years ago. I’ve found a couple issues recently but only a couple. I would like to have a full set, just for posterity sake, but as they say, “whatcha gonna do?”
Were there more »thematic« issues like "22" or the Mercyful Fate issue? More surprises, more unusual bands, musicians?
There was a PENTAGRAM issue and one that had a big retrospective on 70’s stuff and another that had a big section on prog-metal.
I especially raised my eyebrows when I saw the inclusion of Doc Rockit or »Doc Rock It«, as it is probably properly written. This may be the only time that they were covered anywhere. Have you managed to score a Doc Rock It debut? I dare not even think about scoring it.
I had some kind of bootleg version of it at one time when I still had my vinyl collection. It wasn’t very expensive, as I recall.
"I’ve never really been one to care that much about the “collector’s value” of anything, just the musical value. My copy of BLACK SABBATH - Vol 4 was always as important to me as my copy of SLAUTER XSTROYES."
How about the rest of the wantlist from issue 22? How big was or is your collection?
I sold my vinyl collection in around 2005 for the purposes of buying a business. Didn’t really bother me much as I had mostly all of it burned to CD at that point. I’ve never really been one to care that much about the “collector’s value” of anything, just the musical value. My copy of BLACK SABBATH - Vol 4 was always as important to me as my copy of SLAUTER XSTROYES. I eventually had accumulated several thousand CD’s. Then a family issue caused this to go down to maybe 100. Now it’s back up to several hundred max. I slowly accumulate new things and some old things again.
One burning question I'm always dying to get answered by old prolific 'zine editors is, what happened to all the hundreds of obscure/local demo tapes, zines and private releases that you must have accumulated through the years? Still in boxes in the attic or lost-in-transit? (This Q also stems from The Corroseum and its co-operators' mission to unearth lost 80's Metal history - "Preservation by way of digitization and distribution").
Most of it is long gone after various house moves, etc. I have a handful of old zines. My music collection is now several hundred CD’s, the stuff I listen to most from the past and newer stuff.
You were preceding The Corroseum, for instance, for almost 20 years, and our contemporary interest in 70's underground hard rock for more than 30. I am really interested in how this came about and out so, do you remember how you got into this early collectors' circle and how everything looked out back then?
I was into 70’s rock when it was actually going on. I bought albums by bands like ARMAGEDDON, MOXY etc when they came out. I’m 65 now so I was in my 20’s then and living in the moment. So it wasn’t a case of getting into something from the past, it was what was going on then. A lot of the stuff became collectors items later along the line. You just had to dig for the stuff through record stores back then. There wasn’t really a zine network or certainly no internet.
BLACK HOLE are a huge band in the "backwaters" of the Corroseum. For comparison, Paul Chain is huge also, but not sooooo huge. How have you become aware of them? Were you sent a tape by the band or you acquired it another way?
As I was very much involved in the collecting & vinyl scene as well as the underground metal & music scene specifically back in the day. PAUL CHAIN & BLACK HOLE were both fairly well-known by people involved in those scenes back then.
Part of the team of the '22' were the guys who at the same time were the owners of or affiliated with King Classic Records (co-releasing SOLITUDE AETURNUS at the time), who later established Monster Records and today's Rockadrome. Please, tell us about these connections.
I first came into contact with Phil & Dennis from King Klassic Records by way of their fanzine Midwest Militia (n.: Issue no.1can be found within The Corroseum vaults as well). This was way back in the 80’s. I bought a copy of it, as I recall because they focused on a lot of the more 70’s-inspired metal bands, which I liked. I stayed in contact with them over the years, due to their knowledge of bands like WINTERHAWK, SLAUTER XSTROYES, SORCERY (Sinister Soldiers band) etc. They were a continuous fountain of knowledge, especially of rare 70’s & early 80’s stuff. My best memory of them was in around 1991 when they were still in Illinois. My friend (and another major hard rock/metal collector) Mike Maddox bought an original SORCERY “Sinister Soldiers” from them. He was afraid to have it sent thru the mail so we (Mike, my ex-wife & I) drove from Baltimore to Illinois to get it from them. While we were there we got to see their entire collection plus they took us to meet Paul Kratky of SLAUTER XSTROYES and we got to go see a jam with Jordan Macarus and other people associated with WINTERHAWK. Amazing stuff. Of course some time after that, Phil & Dennis would move to Texas & form Monster/Rare Ass Records. Phil would tragically die and Dennis would continue on with Rockadrome to this day.
Budgie's debut liner notes, how did this come to be?
Within the metal underground at the time, I was pretty friendly with Monte Conner of Roadrunner Records. He knew of my interest in the 70’s stuff and approached me about doing the liner notes. I was delighted & actually paid to write them. I’d have done it for free!
Are Mercyful Fate (still) huge at your headquarters? What is your opinion of their re-apperance in the 90's?
I love MF and pretty much everything they did & everything related: KING DIAMOND, THE BRATS, ZOSER MEZ, GUTRIX, all the Shermann/Denner stuff. I love the live shows they’ve done lately and the one new song “…Salzburg.” I think they’re fine with Mike Wead. Yeah, it would be cool if Denner was in it, but he’s not & that’s ok by me too. Looking forward greatly to the new KING DIAMOND & MF albums, whenever they come out.
How do you feel about the interest of other, newish bands to take inspiration from them (or ape them in some cases)?
Bands have influenced other bands forever. There are a million bands that sound like BLACK SABBATH these days, some good, some not so much.
The fan of Enlightened Chaos does not seem to be an »average« heavy metal fan. Who were your "subscribers"?
There were a variety of people from around the globe. As you say, there wasn’t a particular style of person drawn to it except to say that most readers were those with open minds, as I covered things as far afield as punk, jazz fusion etc. Whatever I liked went in. If anyone didn’t like a certain band or style, they could simply chose not to read it. The ones who did, though, hopefully learned something as did I.
What about your presence as a musician, apparently you are guitar »aficionado« as well?
I got a guitar at 13 yrs old and acquired a few after that (still have 3…although I do need a new practice amp). I had a band for a period in my 20’s. We were called HAND RAILS (after a lyric on one of my songs about a serial killer who lived in a parking garage). We played a handful of gigs at the on-campus tavern at Loyola College in Baltimore where I’d gone to school. I don’t believe we made much of an impression but it was fun. It was what I would probably call psychedelic metal as the songs were usually riff-based and heavy but contained long, jamming instrumental passages.
If you would be forced to choose between hard rock/heavy metal and progressive rock, which side would you take?
None. No sides. I like all of those and other kinds of music as well. I’ll go from listening to VENOM to JOHN SCOFIELD to BÖC to GENTLE GIANT. None is worthy of more regard than the other. All great stuff.