80s decade utopia

MEXDefenderOfSteel · Post by **MEXDefenderOfSteel** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:48 pm

is just a matter of tates, what are ur favorite sub-genres and (maybe) the background you have.

As a personal example,non of my friends can actually stand any song from Tudor, and its crazy, i totally have learned to appreciate it, and i have came to the concluison that is pointless to keep spinning that to them and trying to explain how i prefer that kind of band than any other "pseudo-gay" scandinavian black metal panda band(not every scandinavian black metal band is gay,i actually like some of them...)

MassOfKthulu · Post by **MassOfKthulu** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:34 pm

Stormwarrior and Portrait
it's like saying if you prefer poor man's helloween or poor man's mercyful fate haha (I prefer poor man's helloween)
i ld like to interpolate the philological text with a further thought
Bands in the 80s grew up with Maiden and Priest.I dont own one single maiden or priest record (Insert random Avenger quotes here) but it's what influenced bands to play good,linear,riffological,melodical,no bullshit heavy metal back then.it was on the radio,on tv.There's no 'metal' band (not in the corroseumist point of view) on radio,nor on tv today.
Being an arrogant greek i will once again come up with one small factual example
Jag panzer listens to maiden and priest in 82-you get Ample Destruction.
Jag Panzer listens to Blind Guardian in 95-you get Thane to The throne.
do i need to go on.

nightsblood · Post by **nightsblood** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:45 pm

MassOfKthulu wrote:Stormwarrior and Portrait
it's like saying if you prefer poor man's helloween or poor man's mercyful fate haha (I prefer poor man's helloween)
i ld like to interpolate the philological text with a further thought
Bands in the 80s grew up with Maiden and Priest.I dont own one single maiden or priest record (Insert random Avenger quotes here) but it's what influenced bands to play good,linear,riffological,melodical,no bullshit heavy metal back then.it was on the radio,on tv.There's no 'metal' band (not in the corroseumist point of view) on radio,nor on tv today.
Being an arrogant greek i will once again come up with one small factual example
Jag panzer listens to maiden and priest in 82-you get Ample Destruction.
Jag Panzer listens to Blind Guardian in 95-you get Thane to The throne.
do i need to go on.

Friends don't let friends thane to the throne

Black Axe · Post by **Black Axe** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:04 pm

Jag Panzer listen to the "heavy metal" on tv in 1994 - Dissident Alliance

ION BRITTON · Post by **ION BRITTON** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:08 pm

Metallica listen to their old albums in 2008 - Death Magnetic

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:32 pm

See to me all the bands I like ARE very much individual, though they would certainly not be characterised as such by all, most French bands are ridiculously influenced by Maiden and Priest, but they give me something more - I can't imagine getting stuck on the fact they are 'mimicking' their heroes...but no one sounds exactly like another so I'm not clear on what you mean, because it sounds more like something that would ring true on paper and in theory but not in reality if you see where I'm coming from.
Sorry, MDB has NOTHING to do with Doom Metal; which is very conservative, when someone wants to take elements of it and mix them with something else, it becomes a different style of music, there is no 'progression' within that genre.

The whole breaking it down into percentages and some of the other comments, while interesting at times, can just be so reminsiscent of an academic approach that I find annoying, the goddamn need to analyse everything ad nauseum and feel clever about it, that's just a problem I have. So some people want to look at the world that way, I don't, even though I do at times haha, nothing's clear cut

. At the same time as calling into question people's motives etc. and saying they might not be 'true', what is 'true' about a music collection made up of MP3s though???

Very strange you would not own any Maiden or Priest Kyr...but still have some totally forgettable rare stuff. I don't understand that attitude.

One thing I do want to say is I'm pretty glad about this forum, in that it's 'finally' a place I can visit without getting annoyed every time, and people don't get shot down for disliking ANY album. What made me say that was a comment on Hellride a while ago, when some commented on the Isen Torr EP; it being ok but not as great as expected, which was met with the comment of 'buffoon!', just idiotic, the same attitude as on Miskatonic most of the time, tou HAVE to like certain bands because of who are in them, and hate others again because of the members. And hey I used to be one of those assholes who said stuff like that.

MassOfKthulu · Post by **MassOfKthulu** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:04 pm

butter on Avenger's bread
Daniel,i first listened to Warlord when i was 14,never felt like i needed to listen to maiden or priest ever again
i agree i do have some crap (which means i foung it for cheap/free) but i ld trade it away anytime for great stuff
anyone wants my decoy paris or dragonne vinyls for the iron cross

i love the corroseum too,great people,great energy
loved nightsblood math geek approach haha,thats what im talking about,going the extra mile
plus there's no need to put forum members in a niche:mp3 collectors,vinyl geeks or whatever.we're all in it for the riff parades,hopefully

nightsblood · Post by **nightsblood** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:52 pm

Daniel- if my number-crunching reeks of academia, it's probably b/c I work in academia and part of my job is processing geochemical data

It wasn't meant to come across as elitist or 'clever' at all, it was just meant to give folks something to think about. All the comments about Helm's '99%' post got me to thinking, and i wanted some data to work with to see how realistic his statement might be

Viva la spreadsheet!

Helm · Post by **Helm** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:06 pm

nightsblood: post-metal : ISIS, Pelican, Kylesa, bands with beards along with entourage of diassefted hipster youth culture hangers on et al.

if it will make people less upset I'm happy to revise the number to 90 or 85, it doesn't change the argument.

I will agree that in the 90's more bad records came out. But that doesn't mean less good records came out. It just means a smaller percentage of the whole was good.

In this decade we will see a reassessment of what an 'album' actually is, as well as what a 'release' actually is. Anyone can make a heavy metal song on their computer now, and anyone can give it for free at pirate bay, does this constutute a release of an album now? This will be interesting to follow, to see how great HM will survive in the sea of the mediocre that's coming up. If you thought the 90's were bad...

Black Axe · Post by **Black Axe** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:25 pm

Helm wrote:This will be interesting to follow, to see how great HM will survive in the sea of the mediocre that's coming up. If you thought the 90's were bad...

Coming up he says...

Anyway, it won't change much. Heavy Metal has grown its roots too deep to suffer from bad music. Only bureaucracy can harm it. See the rising shipping prices, less places to perform at and such and such.

Witchkiller · Post by **Witchkiller** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:54 pm

Stuff that sucked back then...

Well i can think of musicians (furthermore bands) dealin' with metal as a good chance to score some chicks, make some quick buck and show off. Following that, labels were signing any band that could make them some money....

Oh, and another thing, do take into consideration bands that started playing Heavy Metal and went on the Thrash wagon when it became popular

Anywayz, my point is allready been said here........

mordred · Post by **mordred** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:16 pm

The 80's was no different from today as far as integrity and "trueness" goes. If anything it might have been worse, since heavy rock music was hotter commercially, which makes bandwagon jumping more tempting.

The advantage of the 80's vs today was the flourishing creativity due to the fact that heavy metal was still a relativiely new genre. The abscence of a "finished recipe" if you like. That's why most groundbreaking, genre defining metal milestones were released in the 80's.

GJ · Post by GJ » Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:43 pm

mordred wrote:If anything it might have been worse, since heavy rock music was hotter commercially, which makes bandwagon jumping more tempting.

Whereas nowadays fans (nah, let's make them posers) from back then (people born in the sixties and seventies mostly) are those who decide what should be showed on tv and played on the radio and so on. Which makes the stuff (heavy metal) less exclusive today, having heavy metal personalities

showing up in gameshows and talkshows, the wide usage of heavy metal songs as background music... This wasn't the case in the eighties at all. Hearing one Iron Maiden song every third year on swedish television would pretty much satisfy you as you wouldn't imagine things to change to the better anyway. You needed the record stores/mailorder catalogues to buy the stuff if you wanted to hear it!

mordred · Post by **mordred** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:53 am

MassOfKthulu wrote:I dont own one single maiden or priest record

Just curious to know what you think is wrong with maiden and priest since you're not interested in owning a single record by either of them. That's two friggin' great bands no matter how you put it.

msp · Post by **msp** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:53 pm

mordred wrote:
MassOfKthulu wrote:I dont own one single maiden or priest record
Just curious to know what you think is wrong with maiden and priest since you're not interested in owning a single record by either of them. That's two friggin' great bands no matter how you put it.

Too many people own these records