AMPLE DESTRUCTION - overrated?

mordred · Post by **mordred** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:08 am

Misunderstanding.

Ernest Thesiger · Post by **Ernest Thesiger** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:11 am

mordred wrote:You can't have it both ways dude.

First quote's from that OmenOfSatan'sHost fella.

ION BRITTON · Post by **ION BRITTON** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:24 am

There's a function called 'Quote'. It's one of the most basic features of a forum. People who post in forums should really learn how to use it. It's not rocket science, very simple in fact.

mordred · Post by **mordred** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:56 am

My bad. Well, really it was DeathMetalWeenie's bad, but still.

big mouth · Post by **big mouth** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:47 pm

Kick Ass Monthly is the one that's overrated, not Ample Destruction

Jeez!

DeathMetalWeenie · Post by **DeathMetalWeenie** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:20 am

There's no such thing as overrated.
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Yes there is. Like taking a classic album "Ample Destruction" off the top 100-150 albums in the TRADITIONAL heavy metal genre of all time. And say it is a 7 out of 10.

When it is a perfect album, a 10 [/b]out of 10 with no filler songs, and sound pretty original enough, with excellent songwriting, with awesome singing. Then claim it has 3 throw away songs. To lower its rating to a 7 out of 10, and giving Jag Panzer (competitors and inferiors Jag Panzers spot on the top 100 - 150 metal list off all time.)

The person who would be wrongfully given this spot would be the "over rated" one because they are rated wrong because the inferior acts can not have a spot on the classic list before the artist who obviously belong on that list.

Come on if you over heard in a record shop, hey do not buy Jag Panzer "Ample Destruction", because its over rated. Knowing dam well, you would step in and tell them to buy it, Because you never forget how it affected your psyche (getting floored) back in August 1984.

Hell half the people who slandered this band and there status in heavy metal. Know for sure if there house was on fire, and only had time to grab a couple hundered LP's....The would be riffiling through the collection, to make sure they had this one for sure.

The "over rated" ones are the ones you would throw aside AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, digging for that Mercyful Fate "Melissa" and "Dont Break the Oath" and the OVER rated rated artist in letters N, O, P, Q, R are the lp's, are the ones thrown 90 miles per hour while digging for that Satan's "Court in the Act". Lets hope while digging for that Satan LP you are smart enough to grab the Nasty Savage LP's, the Oz "Fire in the Brain". The Overkill "Feel the Fire" The Possessed "Seven Churches" The Stack of RAZOR LP's, The Raven "All for One". I know they aren't metal but the stack of RUSH LP's. I am not going to lie I would through away AC/DC a side get to the Abattoir "Vicious Attack", the classics Accept, Anvil, and Anthrax "Fistful of Metal"

I have multiple copies of my favorite albums, in army trunks, set aside of my favorite CD's so I do not have to dig through my collection. In case of a fire or whatever.

I already sorted the OVER RATED fuckers from the ones I have not lived with out for the last 3 decades and which ones will be with into the retire my years.

Fuck yeah, this is why I love this genre, people are actually stupid enough to down grade this and slowly make it to there "OVER RATED" sell on ebay list !!!!
HOLY s*&!

THAT IS HOW COLLECTOR books should be written, set a fuckers house on fire, and then have his life flash before his eyes, and see which albums affected his psyche to the point, of which ones have personal meanings.

I will never forget where I was when I first heard this LP, and how impressed i was by there no- non-sense brand of heavy metal. JUST KIDDING about the fire thing.

But really think about your favorite album, can you remember where YOU were when YOU first heard it.

mordred · Post by **mordred** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:36 am

If I could only grab 100 albums from my collection Ample Destruction would go up in flames, sorry.

Not to mention Raven, if when I got outside I found I had accidentally picked a Raven LP I would throw it back in the burning house!

And what's with this 10/10 and then top 100-150? I have a little over 2000 metal albums in my collection and I would give a 10/10 rating to maybe 30 or 40 albums, no more.

Post by **DaN** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:44 am

DeathMetalWeenie wrote:Nasty Savage LP's, the Oz "Fire in the Brain". The Overkill "Feel the Fire" The Possessed "Seven Churches" The Stack of RAZOR LP's, The Raven "All for One".... Abattoir "Vicious Attack"..

Your long, incoherent post gave me a headache, but for the record I would rate AD higher than most of those and it's an album that has grown for me quite a lot the last few years.

Worth pointing out: This album and most early Iron Works/Azra releases didn't have proper distribution in Europe in the 80's so many of us 70's-sters missed out on it when in our most impressionable stage, for the benefit of bands similar in style like AGENT STEEL, OMEN, SAVAGE GRACE etc... Speaking purely on my own accord, JAG PANZER was one of many bands I discovered much later, in the late 90's when I started digging a bit deeper into the old 80's Metal scene and checking out the collections of older, jaded rockers and buying their old import rejects for peanuts. It's bloody awesome, but.. well, I probably hold a dozen or so other old US Metal albums higher (...like their labelmates RIPPER for instance, but that's just me..)

...and for the umphteenth time: "overrated" ≠ bad.

Outcast · Post by **Outcast** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:08 am

DaN wrote:Worth pointing out: This album and most early Iron Works/Azra releases didn't have proper distribution in Europe in the 80's so many of us 70's-sters missed out on it when in our most impressionable stage, for the benefit of bands similar in style like AGENT STEEL, OMEN, SAVAGE GRACE etc...

I just wondered what was the status of the band and that record during 80s, because screaming "overrated" about that LP sounds quite weird to me. Great record for sure, now a cult classic. Was it actually big (on the underground level of course) at least in the US back then?

Reading many Yugoslavian old metal/rock magazines from 80s, I can't remember or I don't have any where they were at least mentioned. People here were into AGENT STEEL back then, OMEN, SAVAGE GRACE, LIEGE LORD etc. were bands who were known about, but not many people had their tapes or records. JAG PANZER were almost unknown here in 80s, I think...

Post by **DaN** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:21 am

Outcast wrote:I just wondered what was the status of the band and that record during 80s, because screaming "overrated" about that LP sounds quite weird to me. Great record for sure, now a cult classic. Was it actually big (on the underground level of course) at least in the US back then?

Most old US tapetraders/oldebandmembers/zinewriters I've been in contact with through the years were fans of the band and they were held in pretty much the same regard as Slayer, Metallica, Exciter, Anvil etc, at least in the underground scene.

Reading many Yugoslavian old metal/rock magazines from 80s, I can't remember or I don't have any where they were at least mentioned. People here were into AGENT STEEL back then, OMEN, SAVAGE GRACE, LIEGE LORD etc. were bands who were known about, but not many people had their tapes or records. JAG PANZER were almost unknown here in 80s, I think...

Yep, same as in West Europe, mostly. Basically it all comes down to a label-distributor-glitch.

chatzial · Post by **chatzial** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:27 am

Back in the '80s, the "Ample Destruction was not properly distributed here in Greece. The Metalcore records vinyl was the first one that we saw at record stores (in 1990 if i remember correctly). So i think that propably most Greek metalheads did not even know it in the '80s.

Priamos · Post by **Priamos** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 5:46 am

chatzial wrote:Back in the '80s, the "Ample Destruction was not properly distributed here in Greece. The Metalcore records vinyl was the first one that we saw at record stores (in 1990 if i remember correctly). So i think that propably most Greek metalheads did not even know it in the '80s.

Some trivia:
As far as I know three copies appeared in a local store (Athens) in the mid 80's (" To diskadiko tis Athinas") and one of them it was bought by a wellknown greek footballplayer/manager/metalhead (Savas Kofidis). Overally it was presented only in fanzines.About the Metalcore vinyl/cd it was out (if I remember well) in 1991 (I had bought the LP just after its release-due to a very favorable review of the Greek Metal Hammer- and replaced it a bit later by the CD).

PS. After all, the Metalcore edition was actually released in 1990. Probably it reached the greek stores a bit later (in 1991).

Black Axe · Post by **Black Axe** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:05 am

But really think about your favorite album, can you remember where YOU were when YOU first heard it.
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OFCOURSE. Same DAMN place as any of the other albums.

Thought I'd try it once too.

msp · Post by **msp** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:55 pm

ION BRITTON wrote:Kick Ass Monthly is the one that's overrated, not Ample Destruction.