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Helm · Post by **Helm** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:30 am

Tool are not, and never tried to pass themselves off as a metal band. They humourously started shows saying they're a 'heavy rubber band'. I don't like them, but their 'metal falseness' isn't their problem at all. Now if magazines are trying to sell them like saviours of Heavy Metal then that's not Tool's problem, is it?

Pain of Salvation and Dream Theater are prog metal bands and their failings are those of prog metal, I think. Not their falseness. How metal were, or pretended to be ever, Theater really?

ION BRITTON · Post by **ION BRITTON** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:43 am

Helm wrote:Tool are not, and never tried to pass themselves off as a metal band. They humourously started shows saying they're a 'heavy rubber band'. I don't like them, but their 'metal falseness' isn't their problem at all. Now if magazines are trying to sell them like saviours of Heavy Metal then that's not Tool's problem, is it?

Pain of Salvation and Dream Theater are prog metal bands and their failings are those of prog metal, I think. Not their falseness. How metal were, or pretended to be ever, Theater really?

Certainly it isn't Tool's problem, people are fooling themselves if they believe that they are metal. I don't like them either, but maybe they do have some quality in their music, however i can't get into it no matter what. The point is that it is fuckin' annoying describing them as metal. I can't accept that.

How really metal was the whole prog metal movement is another discussion. But at least for me the debut album of Theater was more metal than anything else, so it can fit the description. The rest are questionable.

FenderMedium · Post by **FenderMedium** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:29 am

I remember the great debate over whether summoning was to be called metal or not,It seems only their first album even had the smallest hints of black metal after that they seem to be some random ambient shit people still insist on calling metal.

Keir · Post by **Keir** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:20 pm

Noisenik wrote:Starting in Massachussets and ending debating power metal from almost everywhere else in USA ... now that's what I call distraction. To concentrate on the topic I have to admit that Enter The Darkness from debut is a real killer but the rest of album doesn't share its greateness. I have a friend who had 15 years ago - due to sheer lack of music at the time - been listening to Solitary Solitude about 50 times and of course happened to actually like it. Personally, I don't have that much stamina in stock.

Thanks for trying to steer my thread back on topic, but it seems it was in vain.

khiijol · Post by **khiijol** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:43 pm

Noisenik wrote:Weren't Gang Green from Boston, too? There was potent HC scene in boston if I remember correctly ...

yeah... gang green's tracks on the "this is boston, not la" comp really shred. lots of other cool hc bands from mass too... siege, vile, deep wound, jerry's kids, ssd, and psycho, to name a few

Noisenik · Post by **Noisenik** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:05 pm

Keir wrote:
Noisenik wrote:Starting in Massachussets and ending debating power metal from almost everywhere else in USA ... now that's what I call distraction. To concentrate on the topic I have to admit that Enter The Darkness from debut is a real killer but the rest of album doesn't share its greateness. I have a friend who had 15 years ago - due to sheer lack of music at the time - been listening to Solitary Solitude about 50 times and of course happened to actually like it. Personally, I don't have that much stamina in stock.
Thanks for trying to steer my thread back on topic, but it seems it was in vain.

Yeah, totally dude. I even thought sb would offer his powers to upload Formicide demotapes I missed, but I was completely deluded

@khijol : How many of bands you mentioned released long plays after or before that compi?

Keir · Post by **Keir** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:15 pm

Formicide's demos are available on CD: http://www.aversionline.com/dueprocess/

khiijol · Post by **khiijol** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:07 am

Noisenik wrote: @khijol : How many of bands you mentioned released long plays after or before that compi?

all the bands on the this is boston not la comp released lps except for i think the groinoids and decadance, both of which contribute the two weakest tracks to that comp

as for the other bands i mentioned, vile, jerry's kids (on the boston not la comp too), ssd and psycho released lps. the deep wound discography (a 7", comp tracks and a demo) was released on lp last year, and the siege discography (a demo and some comp tracks) has been booted numerous times

Noisenik · Post by **Noisenik** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:39 am

Keir wrote:Formicide's demos are available on CD: http://www.aversionline.com/dueprocess/

Thanks for info. I'll try to obtain them together with other interesting stuffs.

@ khijol: I think I've heard only about siege. and that they were quite harsh HC.

DeathMetalWeenie · Post by **DeathMetalWeenie** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:44 am

Dam I grew up in Las Vegas, Nevada during the brilliant heavy metals power and thrash metal movements...Los Angles was 250 miles from Las Vegas and the glam trend never caught on there, (NWOBHM was the regional trend in 1982 when I moved there) but the bay area thrash style was all the rage...

The Wargasm "Why Play Around?" is a classic album for me, and liked it as much as Blind Illusion's "The Sane Asylum" and Forbidden's "Forbidden Evil" all in '88.

Vicious Rumor's is a good band...it does not matter if you like death/black more than heavy/thrash circa '85 when the debut came out, they belong in your collection, because I still worship albums like Satan's "Court in the Act" Hawaii "One Nation Underground" and Culprit "Guilty As Charge.

There was no contradiction back in 83-86, to get a Savage Grace LP while snagging a Slayer LP.

Metal Church "Metal Church" is a top 100 album of all time for me...when this came out It got alot of Play alongside Trouble "Psalms 9" March 84 and Jag Panzer's "Ample Destruction" August 84.

My copy of Metal Church on Ground Zero arrived in the mail in October 1984. When looking for Back up copies before the CD age, the most common version to find was the Banzai Records edition.

Keir · Post by **Keir** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:25 am

DeathMetalWeenie wrote:The Wargasm "Why Play Around?" is a classic album for me, and liked it as much as Blind Illusion's "The Sane Asylum" and Forbidden's "Forbidden Evil" all in '88.

A classic - I wholeheartedly agree!

I still haven't been able to find any information on Spasm. I'm going to have to dig up whatever I can out of my collection (flyers and such) and do a bit more research. I think they might have been from New Hampshire actually. Most of the NH thrash bands were generally considered part of the MA thrash scene (at least North of Boston where I am from). CSDO for example. Mortuary were another, though to be honest I never cared much for them.