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Fates Warning - one of my silent favourites. With Parallels and Inside Out they took melodicism of Somewhere In Time to the unbelievable heights (or depths). I like them despite being veeeeery melodic.

The problem of FWX is not only the modern, lifeless nu-sound but mainly the minimalism which seems to totally overtook the modern Metal. The "Less is More" maxime destroys everything. In my opinion the less is only less. Or lesser ...

No? Not even TIM BAKER? Or GLEN MAY (TYRANT US)? Naaaah, the one you're talking about must be ROB MILLER aka THE BARON of AMEBIX.

Tim Baker is a screetching troll! In a good way, I love Cirith Ungol, but he's not the sort of thing I'm talking about The dude from Tyrant is a roaring behemoth most of the time, WILL IS POWER kind of guy, too strong. And Amebix I just heard for the first time two weeks ago, I have no opinion.

Noisenik, FW have been on the 'less is more' trip since Mark Zonder came on board. I don't know any other first-rate progressive bands that put so much attention to the rest and silences between the notes. I think they're pretty sincere about the 'less is more' approach, not just a trick for sparse production.

Helm wrote: Noisenik, FW have been on the 'less is more' trip since Mark Zonder came on board. I don't know any other first-rate progressive bands that put so much attention to the rest and silences between the notes. I think they're pretty sincere about the 'less is more' approach, not just a trick for sparse production.

That's true, but today it is too obvious. It didn't strike one back then. It's proven again, how seldom less is more.

I'm more concerned with defending the cases where 'less is exactly right', actually.

Just come up with an interesting example, speaking of prog-metal:

RED HARVEST from Norway.

Their demos and the debut LP "Nomindsland" were fucking phenomenal. Clever Metal with melody and great songs (unlike certain other hyped acts of the genre - no names) but then they travelled down the 'Eindûstriül Metl"-road and everything golden turned to shit

(Fans of SECRECY, ANACRUSIS and OMNITRON take note)

DaN wrote:Just come up with an interesting example, speaking of prog-metal:

RED HARVEST from Norway.

Their demos and the debut LP "Nomindsland" were fucking phenomenal. Clever Metal with melody and great songs (unlike certain other hyped acts of the genre - no names) but then they travelled down the 'Eindûstriül Metl"-road and everything golden turned to shit

(Fans of SECRECY, ANACRUSIS and OMNITRON take note)

I think I have this smwr in compressed form. But forgot to take a trip in all this mp3 flood.

ION BRITTON wrote:

FuneralCircle wrote:
As for FATES WARNING - After 1991 I really stopped giving a damn about them. Horrendously overrated Prog-Wanky nonsense that evokes a sense of shame rather than enjoyment.

That's a description for DREAM THEATER, not FATES. Good old FW always avoided doing pointless tech-skills demonstrations and none of their songs/albums was made intentionally complicated (until Inside Out- 1994). It's a matter of taste if you don't like their material, no problem with that, but in no case i can agree with that Prog-Wanky term.

Oh, I was speaking of their really recent output that is just typical Progressive Metal (post-1994).

I don't know if you're listening to the same Fates Warning I'm listening to, but there's nothing typical about them as nobody has succesfully emulated them and generally they're highly distinctive, like them or not.

(Fans of SECRECY, ANACRUSIS and OMNITRON take note)

two outta three. Checking them out. I can't believe something good has been done by Red Harvest. I thought they were so boring when I listened to some EINSTURIAL NEU METAL of theirs.

edit: just the first two demos? First record is supposedly 'avant garde thrash' by M-A

Helm wrote:edit: just the first two demos? First record is supposedly 'avant garde thrash' by M-A

The first album ("Nomindsland") is what I'm hyping. Trust me, this is a lost masterpiece.

And there's absolutely no musical indications that they would go NsdstrlMtl afterwords..

Getting from slsk. I have half-shat my pants already so things can only get worse (better) from here.

Further on the cool-bands-that-went-industrial.. Does anyone remember Canadians MALHAVOC? They did some great, occult Thrash demos and semi-unreleased LP before they went Ministry-copycats. Those wispering vocals sure did the trick..

Let's not forget DEATH SS.

That was probably the worst shame in Metal. They had it all.

Now they have nothing save really bad Techno-Horror costumes and lame Industrial tunes.

*Sigh*