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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:53 am
by Bane
Avenger wrote:Obviously you haven't kept up with the history of this whole new Hell album. Miskatonic may not actually be releasing this but Rich has had a hand in the project.
Hmm, no he hasn't. From my understanding, Rich was originally meant to officially release a HELL boxset with all the old material. Kev had a change of heart somewhere down the line and wanted to re-record the songs instead. Andy Sneap came onboard offering to produce it at his own time and expense. The boxset was put on ice, if you want to put it that way. Rich has supported Kev throughout the re-recording but he has had absolutely no hand in it as far as I know. The album is 100% Kev, HELL and Andy.
Avenger wrote:That aside, I'd still like to have someone post that can actually answer my question regarding who originally put out that press release because the information conflicts with that Kev Bower recently posted.
How far along actually is this album?
If you actually read the press release, you'll see it was signed off by Kev Bower. If you're asking who posted it on Metal Ireland, that would be me. I copy & pasted it straight from a MySpace bulletin/blog (I forget which). I can only assume Kev revisited his estimation and perhaps thought he jumped the gun a bit. When I received a couple of new tracks in July he said they still needed slight tinkering. I'll ask him to come on here and answer whatever questions you have.
Avenger wrote:When you've hyped the album and know that fans are waiting to hear it, why dick around in releasing it?
Do you honestly think he's "dicking" around?? I know he spent some time on tour with Sabbat recently, playing keyboards, and I'm sure he has a life to live and run just like the rest of us. If he wants to hold out for the perfect deal from the perfect label then he has every right to do so. You may have read about HELL's last experience with a label and where that led to?
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:05 am
by Avenger
FuneralCircle wrote:I never once bashed the music, as I haven't heard it yet. That would just be ignorant, so to quote your own words "what on Earth are you talking about?"
I wasn't saying that you were bashing the music, just that the music itself was indeed materialized and completed, I'm sorry you interpreted it that way!
When I said, "materialized" I mean in physical copy form that you can hold in your hands. Something that's been pressed on a format for the public. Something that you can purchase and actually listen to at free will as a fan of the band. I don't care if the songs are completely done or not mastered or whatever the excuse is this time around. If it's not available, it's not available. I really don't understand why this has to be issued on a label anyways, especially granted that it's taking this long to find one (if that ever happens based on the current expectations of the band to begin with). This is just delaying the release even further and then hyping it and releasing reviews from the handful of the "elite" that have been deemed good enough to hear the content is just ridiculous.
I don't understand why the album can't just be self-released for the real fans. If a major label deal comes along later on so that the album can me marketed to the masses then fine, but why delay the release from the fans that actually care most about the band in the mean time?
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:15 pm
by Bane
You've really got a bee in your bonnet about this. There are loads of us who want the album in our hands. I feel your frustration. The fact of the matter is, the band have waited 20+ years to have their material recorded and released the way they want it. If they're willing to hold out another while longer until a deal comes along they feel is right, then so be it. It's their decision to make.
You make it sound as if they have some sort of delusion of grandeur. I can tell you this is complete and utter crap. It's one thing coming on here and dismissing an album without even hearing it, or chastising the way the band dress, or even scorning at how they won't upload any tracks online, but someone complaining that the album isn't being released the way they think it should surely takes the biscuit. That decision is the bands and no-one elses.
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:40 pm
by Dodens Grav
Bane wrote:someone complaining that the album isn't being released the way they think it should surely takes the biscuit.
Seriously. Find something else to complain about, dude, and lay off the conspiracy theories. I haven't heard any of the damn songs either, but sometimes throughout the course of the day I remember that there are more things going on in my life than a prospective Hell album that's not out yet and that I would have to be retarded to actually take offense to the fact that I can't buy it yet.
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:59 pm
by ION BRITTON
Funny enough, I remember that there's a 'forthcoming HELL album' every time I see something posted in this thread.
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:25 am
by Stormspell
The thought of posting an mp3 on myspace or wherever else is quite intriguing. Why hasn't it been done yet?
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:25 am
by FuneralCircle
Bane wrote:Avenger wrote:Obviously you haven't kept up with the history of this whole new Hell album. Miskatonic may not actually be releasing this but Rich has had a hand in the project.
Hmm, no he hasn't. From my understanding, Rich was originally meant to officially release a HELL boxset with all the old material. Kev had a change of heart somewhere down the line and wanted to re-record the songs instead. Andy Sneap came onboard offering to produce it at his own time and expense. The boxset was put on ice, if you want to put it that way. Rich has supported Kev throughout the re-recording but he has had absolutely no hand in it as far as I know. The album is 100% Kev, HELL and Andy.
I thought Rich was involved only with said boxset, not the full-length album itself. But truthfully I haven't been following
everything step by step.
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:48 pm
by Avenger
Bane wrote:Avenger wrote:Obviously you haven't kept up with the history of this whole new Hell album. Miskatonic may not actually be releasing this but Rich has had a hand in the project.
Hmm, no he hasn't. From my understanding, Rich was originally meant to officially release a HELL boxset with all the old material. Kev had a change of heart somewhere down the line and wanted to re-record the songs instead. Andy Sneap came onboard offering to produce it at his own time and expense. The boxset was put on ice, if you want to put it that way. Rich has supported Kev throughout the re-recording but he has had absolutely no hand in it as far as I know. The album is 100% Kev, HELL and Andy.
When I said that Rich had a hand in the project I meant as in the past failed attempt at the box set. Regardless, if it wasn't for Rich's involvement to begin with, I doubt Hell would be recording this new album, hence, his involvement here.
Bane wrote:Avenger wrote:That aside, I'd still like to have someone post that can actually answer my question regarding who originally put out that press release because the information conflicts with that Kev Bower recently posted.
How far along actually is this album?
If you actually read the press release, you'll see it was signed off by Kev Bower. If you're asking who posted it on Metal Ireland, that would be me. I copy & pasted it straight from a MySpace bulletin/blog (I forget which). I can only assume Kev revisited his estimation and perhaps thought he jumped the gun a bit. When I received a couple of new tracks in July he said they still needed slight tinkering. I'll ask him to come on here and answer whatever questions you have.
I knew that it was you that posted the copy + paste of the press release on metal ireland and that was quite obvious granted the identical avatar. What I wanted to know is exactly where it was taken from to begin with. The point I was making is that Kev contradicted himself in stating earlier with the press release that the recording was finished, mixed and mastered and basically ready to be released. Then later on went to say that it wasn’t mastered. Does that not seem odd to you? Like I said, more delays...
Bane wrote:Avenger wrote:When you've hyped the album and know that fans are waiting to hear it, why dick around in releasing it?
Do you honestly think he's "dicking" around?? I know he spent some time on tour with Sabbat recently, playing keyboards, and I'm sure he has a life to live and run just like the rest of us. If he wants to hold out for the perfect deal from the perfect label then he has every right to do so. You may have read about HELL's last experience with a label and where that led to?
I do think they are dicking around. No question about it. There's absolutely no reason why the album can’t be self-released, but they would rather delay the process in waiting for a huge record deal that will probably never happen. Also, what happened with Mausoleum 20+ years ago is totally irrelevant today. I don't even know why you would bring that up. It's not like they are trying to re-sgin with the same label...
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:15 pm
by Avenger
Bane wrote:You've really got a bee in your bonnet about this. There are loads of us who want the album in our hands. I feel your frustration. The fact of the matter is, the band have waited 20+ years to have their material recorded and released the way they want it. If they're willing to hold out another while longer until a deal comes along they feel is right, then so be it. It's their decision to make.
You make it sound as if they have some sort of delusion of grandeur. I can tell you this is complete and utter crap. It's one thing coming on here and dismissing an album without even hearing it, or chastising the way the band dress, or even scorning at how they won't upload any tracks online, but someone complaining that the album isn't being released the way they think it should surely takes the biscuit. That decision is the bands and no-one elses.
What are you the official spokesman for the band now? Where was it ever said that the band has been waiting 20 years to release the new album? Regardless, define how long a "while" will be? It's already been over 4 fucking years since the original announcement of the failed box set was put out and look what happened with that… I really wish that if bands had no urgency or have procrastination issues, that they would just hold off making such announcements (never mind having the nerve to hype the release) that's in the works until they have a definitive release date.
I don't believe that the band has any sort of "delusions of grandeur" but what I do think is that they have poor business practices that only work to show that the band really doesn't give a shit about they're fans. I also am not trying to tell the band how to release the album, that's obviously up to them, but like I said previously, it doesn’t make sense to get everybody's hopes up with announcing the upcoming album, not even releasing a single song or even a clip for the fans to preview, posting up a review of the album and only letting a select few of the "elite" listen to it. These are all bastard-tactics and aren't putting the band in a positive spotlight in my opinion. In fact, it would work to the bands advantage to release a track or two before the albums release because personally, I'm not going to fork out money for an album that I have no idea what it sounds like and I'm sure there are others out that will agree with me.
This whole project is starting to look like the "Chinese Democracy" of Heavy Metal.
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:27 pm
by Avenger
Dodens Grav wrote:Bane wrote:someone complaining that the album isn't being released the way they think it should surely takes the biscuit.
Seriously. Find something else to complain about, dude, and lay off the conspiracy theories. I haven't heard any of the damn songs either, but sometimes throughout the course of the day I remember that there are more things going on in my life than a prospective Hell album that's not out yet and that I would have to be retarded to actually take offense to the fact that I can't buy it yet.
You are right, there are more things going on in life, like jumping onto various message boards and calling everyone that you don't agree with an "idiot" or "retard". You are obviously on such a high horse that such petty conversations are below you, yet you need to involve yourself with your two cents that adds nothing to the discussion.
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:39 pm
by ION BRITTON
Avenger wrote:n fact, it would work to the bands advantage to release a track or two before the albums release because personally, I'm not going to fork out money for an album that I have no idea what it sounds like and I'm sure there are others out that will agree with me.
The band really has to read this, because when the album is eventually out and I still don't have a chance to get a rough idea of how it sounds like they will know for sure that I'm not gonna spend one single penny on it, even if the whole metal population of the planet will say that it's the ultimate masterpiece of the decade.
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:50 pm
by Bane
Avenger, I'm not going to bother posting any retorts. It's not worth my time. I'm sure Kev will be back on here soon enough to reiterate what he already said a few pages back...
I'm incredibly conscious about the ongoing delay, but all concerned feel that this album is good enough to wait for a deal which is 100% right for us, and for you. We're not interested in just bunging out a minority release, we want this to be heard by the widest possible audience, we want to do some shows, the whole nine yards. Thanks again to all for your continued interest, and to all those who have posted less than positive comments - vive la difference, your opinions are just as valid as anyone else's.
Cheers to all
Kev Bower
Hello to all,
I just wanted to make it clear to everyone who has kindly contributed to this thread, that there are three genuine reasons why we haven't posted anything online - and I'm posting this reply because I want to completely dispel any (entirely understandable) suspicions relating to hype. I'm intensely proud of what we have done, and I would love to share it with everyone. So why don't I?..........
1 The album isn't mastered yet, we have some final (minor) tweaks and adjustments to do. The small amount of monitor-mix material out there has been provided for specific people who we know and trust not to copy it or make this as-yet-incomplete article available. The fact that these guys have kept the tracks to themselves tells us that our faith in them was completely justified - thanks for that, you know who you are.
But most importantly;
2 We're at a very delicate stage in terms of label deal negotiations, and any premature escape will really, really, REALLY fuck things up for us. After having waited this long, I'm sure you will all understand that we don't want to fall at the final hurdle.
3 Having been let down by our cover artist, we've had to completely re-do the artwork/packaging and we're keen to be able to present a 100% complete, packaged, finished album to the world because we think it deserves it. This also isn't yet complete.
It's encouraging to read the positive responses on here - and I am truly humbled and very grateful at what's been said - THANKYOU. Rich Walker's full review should be out today, and I'm looking forward to that, but in the final analysis, you'll all make up your own minds. As I seem to say on every post - vive la difference. I hope this clears things up a little.
Best to all, Kev Bower
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:58 pm
by Avenger
Bane wrote:Avenger, I'm not going to bother posting any retorts. It's not worth my time. I'm sure Kev will be back on here soon enough to reiterate what he already said a few pages back...
I'm incredibly conscious about the ongoing delay, but all concerned feel that this album is good enough to wait for a deal which is 100% right for us, and for you. We're not interested in just bunging out a minority release, we want this to be heard by the widest possible audience, we want to do some shows, the whole nine yards. Thanks again to all for your continued interest, and to all those who have posted less than positive comments - vive la difference, your opinions are just as valid as anyone else's.
Cheers to all
Kev Bower
Hello to all,
I just wanted to make it clear to everyone who has kindly contributed to this thread, that there are three genuine reasons why we haven't posted anything online - and I'm posting this reply because I want to completely dispel any (entirely understandable) suspicions relating to hype. I'm intensely proud of what we have done, and I would love to share it with everyone. So why don't I?..........
1 The album isn't mastered yet, we have some final (minor) tweaks and adjustments to do. The small amount of monitor-mix material out there has been provided for specific people who we know and trust not to copy it or make this as-yet-incomplete article available. The fact that these guys have kept the tracks to themselves tells us that our faith in them was completely justified - thanks for that, you know who you are.
But most importantly;
2 We're at a very delicate stage in terms of label deal negotiations, and any premature escape will really, really, REALLY fuck things up for us. After having waited this long, I'm sure you will all understand that we don't want to fall at the final hurdle.
3 Having been let down by our cover artist, we've had to completely re-do the artwork/packaging and we're keen to be able to present a 100% complete, packaged, finished album to the world because we think it deserves it. This also isn't yet complete.
It's encouraging to read the positive responses on here - and I am truly humbled and very grateful at what's been said - THANKYOU. Rich Walker's full review should be out today, and I'm looking forward to that, but in the final analysis, you'll all make up your own minds. As I seem to say on every post - vive la difference. I hope this clears things up a little.
Best to all, Kev Bower
All I see is a bunch of excuses followed by an "we aren't going to let you hear anything but how about you read a review by someone that has".
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:36 pm
by msp
AVENGER's back!!!
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:03 pm
by daniel
It's funny reading people defending HELL as if they were getting paid for it. There are no amazing retorts to the qualms people have, so why act as if the band is 100% right? Me, I don't care about this record really, I don't believe it will be good...pretty much cos I've never found HELL amazing, they had a few good tracks but overall they weren't very metal in the sense I enjoy most(vocals, riffs etc.).