Master Of Puppets

Black Axe · Post by **Black Axe** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:43 pm

Regardless of time I've never cared much for pioneering sounds. I just care if it's a good record or not.

deathster · Post by **deathster** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:09 pm

Heathen wrote:A question for those of you who (like me) got into metal in or after 1990.

How many of you think that Kill 'Em All is Metallica greatest album?

I'd like to check if KEA worship is related to the time it was first listened to. I like to think that yes, because when you forget that it was a pioneer record (and it is easy to do that when you - for example - headd Shattered Existence before KEA) there is not that much special in it. My opinion of course.

RTL was the first I heard (I think it was 1985 or 86) and it was the Fight Fire with Fire song and For Whom the bells that I loved...I think that I only had sida A recorded on my tape (other songs wre by Accept, Iron Maiden etc) ...the B side I heard years later! I rememeber we discusswed with fellows which is better MOP or RTL and I clearly rememeber that RTL was voted for more aggressive and "better", although at time my opinion was generally that new albums are bttter than old albums. But Kill em All was also hailed as great album and I had some songs from that album on my first tapes also. So old Metallica is very important for me and IU still like the old albums (except 1988 album, this is like a black hole in my history, at that time I was more into Kreator, Slayer type of stuff)

And I tink it was ca 10 years ago when I read from an old UG fanzine Brain Damage the RTL review and it was considered wimp out (let down after Kill em All), This was like a first time when I saw like negative review about that great album. Here it is common to slag it off nowadays.

Cochino · Post by **Cochino** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:22 pm

Kill 'em All is probably my favorite and I think it was the second Metallica album I've heard. RTL has some of my favorite songs, but I never liked Escape and Fade To Black and Creeping Death bored me pretty fast (even back when I was more into Metallica). The rest of the songs are killer and probably better than anything on Kill 'em All, but those other tracks spoiled it as an album for me so Kill 'em All is still no. 1.

ION BRITTON · Post by **ION BRITTON** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:08 pm

ΚΕΑ here. Actually, the only Metallica that still gets some play at home.

great_knuthulhu · Post by **great_knuthulhu** » Sat Jun 04, 2011 2:12 pm

Black Axe wrote:Regardless of time I've never cared much for pioneering sounds. I just care if it's a good record or not.

Me neither, but some of what makes KEA so good is the "let's-fucking-go" mentality and the general attitude that the material conveys. Not that it sounded unlike much of what had gone before (which, in fairness, it didn't)

Elvenefris · Post by **Elvenefris** » Sat Jun 04, 2011 2:44 pm

Metallica eventually wears off/out as you grow because it's the primary platform for a whole lot of people out there to look beyond. A lot of people who listened to them at regular intervals earlier now dont even spin it.

As far as MOP goes, it's strictly OK.

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:02 am

Heathen wrote:A question for those of you who (like me) got into metal in or after 1990.

How many of you think that Kill 'Em All is Metallica greatest album?

I'd like to check if KEA worship is related to the time it was first listened to. I like to think that yes, because when you forget that it was a pioneer record (and it is easy to do that when you - for example - headd Shattered Existence before KEA) there is not that much special in it. My opinion of course.

"Kill 'Em All" and "Ride The Lightning" > "Master Of Puppets".

Outcast · Post by **Outcast** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:26 am

The Sentinel wrote:This album seems to be worshipped at an insane level as no other album. Well, what the HELL is so legendary about it?

Nothing, except the fact that it was a first "thrash" album which broke into mainstream. Overrated record by far, period.

Technically, it isn't bad record per se, but I find it very boring and painful to listen. Unimaginative but somehow pretentious songwriting, sterile production with no edge and fake dark atmosphere are things which annoy me the most there. The best thing about the record is it's cover art, I love it very much.

Ride The Lightning is the only Metallica album I listen seriously and still enjoy. It's a masterpiece.

mordred · Post by **mordred** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:35 pm

Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets > Kill 'em All

Stormspell · Post by **Stormspell** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:21 am

mordred wrote:Ride the Lightning = Master of Puppets > Kill 'em All

I'd rate them in the same order as well.

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:03 am

I remember an argument mordred and I had about this in the past but I strongly believe the reason why "Kill 'Em All" and "Ride The Lightning" are superior albums to "Master Of Puppets" is largely based on the fact that Dave Mustaine was involved in the writing of "Kill 'Em All" and most of "Ride The Lightning".

Stormspell · Post by **Stormspell** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:14 am

Mustaine doesn't really affect my opinion. I was never big fan of Megadeth, and MoP is probably my favorite Metallica album, so...

Besides after reading numerous inties, I cannot but question how much Chris Poland, Jeff Young, and Marty Friedman participated in the writing process, and who got credit and who not...

mordred · Post by **mordred** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:01 am

Avenger wrote:I remember an argument mordred and I had about this in the past but I strongly believe the reason why "Kill 'Em All" and "Ride The Lightning" are superior albums to "Master Of Puppets" is largely based on the fact that Dave Mustaine was involved in the writing of "Kill 'Em All" and most of "Ride The Lightning".

I vaguely remember that, but I disagree. I'm not trying to take away from Mustaine his contribution to Kill and Ride, those are great riffs he did, but...

1. It was mostly just riffs he contributed while Metallica were infinitely better song writers. Compare Metallica's "Four Horsemen" to Megadeth's "Mechanix". They're based around the same main riff/general idea that is Mustaine's, but Metallica's version is much more dynamic and vastly superior.
2. I'm not a big fan of Megadeth. For me their catalog is mostly mediocre. If Mustaine's influence on Ride the Lightning was profound, why couldn't Megadeth do an album that was half as good?
3. Master of Puppets is for me the best Metallica album, so they did more than just fine without him.

GJ · Post by GJ » Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:19 am

Must remember to take the time to listen to at least the first three (or four) albums sometime soon. I think I will like it.

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:25 pm

Megadeth had no problems with diversity on "So Far, So Good, So What..." and "Rust In Peace", especially Rust was full on power all the way with amazing playing and writing

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