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Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:35 pm
by perishinflames
Helstar wrote:I don't remember who but there is a guy here in Corro that have almost ALL editions of Stone cds ... I congratulated him in several occasions :V
Might be me? I have most Stone items but i'm still missing a few cassettes and CDs, and the alleged 'Free' 2LP which I've never even seen a picture of (does this actually exist?). I did finally find that promo-only Mad Hatter's Den 7" though
Damn, that Metallica. You'd think for such an item he would have better pictures.
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:15 pm
by Yakish
The most expensive and rare boot which i've ever seen. Let's wait and see scans or detailed photos from seller and finally prove that this mythical CD was never been pressed officially by Roadrunner not as jewel case version nor slimline
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:40 pm
by lavadeath
perishinflames wrote:
I have most Stone items but i'm still missing a few cassettes and CDs, and the alleged 'Free' 2LP which I've never even seen a picture of (does this actually exist?).
It does exist.
Seen it for sale couple of times on finnish auction and second hand sites but it is quite expensive even in here.
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:04 pm
by Helstar
Yakish wrote:
The most expensive and rare boot which i've ever seen. Let's wait and see scans or detailed photos from seller and finally prove that this mythical CD was never been pressed officially by Roadrunner not as jewel case version nor slimline
I think I agree that the RR jewel case does not exist (slimline ... maybe).
Really bad photos on purpose ? The last digit of barcode seems 1 ... whereas in the website is 0 ?
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:27 pm
by Yakish
Slimline is also a fake pressed in ultra-limited quantities (probably only a few copies) which made this release so mythical among naive collectors. Look here:
http://web.archive.org/web/200902111635 ... 0/043.html
http://web.archive.org/web/200710301107 ... ll/021.jpg
http://web.archive.org/web/200710301108 ... ll/024.jpg
(first link taken directly from eGay auction)
P.S: The same story happened with Slimline version of Manowar "Hail To England"
http://www.musik-sammler.de/media/351639
http://www.musik-sammler.de/cover/352000/351639_1.jpg
even from this small scan we can see the same P+O matrix style as both Metallica bootleg versions represents. Never seen an official nor bootleg copy of M-80 in slimline as was printed in booklets of Roadrunner slimline series advertisement. I think all these CDs were planned, but never been pressed. This fact spawned many rumors, theories and speculations and now we see this crazy auction.
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:28 pm
by Helstar
I thought the Manowar existed... looks like they all come from the same bootleger. But did they know about matrix codes already back then ?
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:17 am
by thrashidolatry
But that's not proof that they are fake, is it?
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:37 pm
by Heathen
One thing, as I see it, is for sure - these CDs were made in a professional pressing plant, they actually look like they REALLY were pressed by P+O. I always though the photos are photoshopped.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:54 pm
by thrashidolatry
It does not look like a bootleg to me, only thing that looks suspicious is that back-cover that looks very 'amateurish'..
Btw. the listing ended because the item had an error..
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:16 pm
by perishinflames
I never really collected the slimlines but weren't they all pressed in Japan (not Germany)?
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:33 pm
by sovdat
perishinflames wrote:I never really collected the slimlines but weren't they all pressed in Japan (not Germany)?
Check out cezi's post(s) here -->
http://thecorroseum.com/phpbb2/viewtopi ... t=slimline
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:05 am
by Yakish
Heathen wrote:One thing, as I see it, is for sure - these CDs were made in a professional pressing plant, they actually look like they REALLY were pressed by P+O. I always though the photos are photoshopped.
Yes, this is perfect bootleg replica of all times. I never seen such a ideally imitation of P+O Pallas "pixel" font. BUT(T):
1. Fact. Pallas started to press CDs in 1987 (Matrix of this boot says 09-86 = September of 1986)
2. "Made In Germany" on CD face. It must be written "Made in W.Germany" in 1986
3. I don't know any other CD pressed on Pallas by Roadrunner label. AFAIK they never used this plant. RR used CTA in Japan (real slimlines from 1984-1985), then Polygram, Hanover (only a few very rare CDs in 1986) and since late 1986-1987 usual Sonopress.
4. My Sinner "Dangerous Charm"
http://www.discogs.com/Sinner-Dangerous ... se/4397243 among the very earliest releases pressed by this plant in 1987 has 0626-A in matrix code, but this metallica boot has 1029-A (have to be 1988?).
This CD has many small mistakes, but if you don't know all this specific details it may looks like real thing, but of course it's not!
Unfortunately somebody removed P+O Pallas page from Discogs few days ago and i can't check other releases. I think bootleggers stole this code 1029-A from matrix of another release and invented other details to made it looks "naturally"
Also it was printed (interesting in which quantities?) on official pressing plant somewhere. Another similar examples: Sentenced "Shadows.." with wrong matrix which looks so professional that many old collectors still believe this is real first press, Hades "Resisting Success", Burzum "Det Som Engang Var" (TSD EYE01 in matrix) and many others.
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:12 am
by sovdat
Interesting ...
Do you maybe know where the slim cases were produced, Germany or Japan?
There were also other CD pressing plants in early/mid 80s in Germany too, right?
-->
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RAINBOW-Straigh ... 7675.l2557
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:35 pm
by Yakish
To my knowledge only one the very first european pressing plant existed before the CD mass production in 1986-87 it's Polygram in Hanover. This Rainbow CD made exactly by this factory. Too bad just a small number of Metal releases was pressed there back in early-middle 80's. I like very much original sound from master tapes on those ancient CDs without any remastering
The second question about slim cases. Did you mean white "flip" slim case on Roadrunner slimlines? I never seen german versions, only japanese. Also i saw few Roadrunner releases (Twisted Sister and something else) were pressed by CTA Japan in 1985 but packed in usual jewel case.
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:53 pm
by sovdat
Yakish wrote:To my knowledge only one the very first european pressing plant existed before the CD mass production in 1986-87 it's Polygram in Hanover. This Rainbow CD made exactly by this factory. Too bad just a small number of Metal releases was pressed there back in early-middle 80's. I like very much original sound from master tapes on those ancient CDs without any remastering
The second question about slim cases. Did you mean white "flip" slim case on Roadrunner slimlines? I never seen german versions, only japanese. Also i saw few Roadrunner releases (Twisted Sister and something else) were pressed by CTA Japan in 1985 but packed in usual jewel case.
Yes, I was referring to those flip slim cases. Weren't those slimline CDs pressed in Japan for the European market? And they used Japanese CD pressing plant because there weren't many in Europe/Germany at the time, but that doesn't necessarly mean that the inserts or these special cases were actually made in Japan, they might be made somewhere else I guess.
