Bootleg Warning Thread - CD (2012)

sagrotan · Post by **sagrotan** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:24 pm

what I don't get - when people here are smart enough to recognize those as bootlegs, why are people on ebay who are able and willing to pay insane money (and both are apparently of the weird CD collectors type

) so stupid?

and why did the auctions from the first seller end so low in comparison? seller didn't label them "fanclub", "reissue" or anything else fishy.. is there some stupid "must have" reflex when something has "original first press!!" all over, no matter if true or not?

(rhetorical question that is.. )

Heathen · Post by **Heathen** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:59 pm

sagrotan wrote:what I don't get - when people here are smart enough to recognize those as bootlegs, why are people on ebay who are able and willing to pay insane money (and both are apparently of the weird CD collectors type ) so stupid?

and why did the auctions from the first seller end so low in comparison? seller didn't label them "fanclub", "reissue" or anything else fishy.. is there some stupid "must have" reflex when something has "original first press!!" all over, no matter if true or not? (rhetorical question that is.. )

Maybe it's just me but I don't find these things surprising at all.

1. People here seek knowledge about the CDs/records they buy and hence rarely are subject of such frauds. Other people just believe a seller when he says "first press".
2. the nanitensammlerin seller is easily recognized as suspicious because of the high volume of bootlegs he sells, which he lists over and over again. And he does not say "first press" in his auctions. By the way, he also has other accounts like nimmit and guardian_2007.

emperor.zola · Post by **emperor.zola** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:06 pm

Heathen wrote:
sagrotan wrote:what I don't get - when people here are smart enough to recognize those as bootlegs, why are people on ebay who are able and willing to pay insane money (and both are apparently of the weird CD collectors type ) so stupid?

and why did the auctions from the first seller end so low in comparison? seller didn't label them "fanclub", "reissue" or anything else fishy.. is there some stupid "must have" reflex when something has "original first press!!" all over, no matter if true or not? (rhetorical question that is.. )
Maybe it's just me but I don't find these things surprising at all.

1. People here seek knowledge about the CDs/records they buy and hence rarely are subject of such frauds. Other people just believe a seller when he says "first press".
2. the nanitensammlerin seller is easily recognized as suspicious because of the high volume of bootlegs he sells, which he lists over and over again. And he does not say "first press" in his auctions. By the way, he also has other accounts like nimmit and guardian_2007.

I just had a bad experience with the Pyracanda bootleg. I made a photo for you, it may helps to identify the original.
Two Sides of the Coin CD Matrix (bootleg on top).

BTW is there any living person who could help me how to check the authenticity of the first two EXUMER CDs??

Troma · Post by **Troma** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:41 pm

I also almost bought a Pyracanda CD buy it now for 20€, until I saw that the seller also had those mausoleum classix for sale.

about the exumer, there was a small discussion in the musik-sammler forum

a member asked the seller of the exumer bootlegs and this seem to be the matrix codes of them

Possessed By Fire : 887529 x-727
Rising From The Sea : 10007 P+O - 0981-A 02-88

the original matrix of Possessed is

880529CD X 720 B

The "B" in the matrix is hardly visible, if I remember right.

emperor.zola · Post by **emperor.zola** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:54 am

Troma wrote:I also almost bought a Pyracanda CD buy it now for 20€, until I saw that the seller also had those mausoleum classix for sale.

about the exumer, there was a small discussion in the musik-sammler forum

a member asked the seller of the exumer bootlegs and this seem to be the matrix codes of them

Possessed By Fire : 887529 x-727
Rising From The Sea : 10007 P+O - 0981-A 02-88

the original matrix of Possessed is

880529 X 720 B

The "B" in the matrix is hardly visible, if I remember right.

So this must be the original: Exumer martix

Yakish · Post by **Yakish** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:10 pm

100% original. Exact like other Scratch Japan matrices style

Cyrcka · Post by **Cyrcka** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:57 pm

Hello metal maniacs and collectors!

Its getting more and more worse who rip-off the metal szene with 1 to 1 copies of old originals and rarities! Some years ago where spread thousands of poor made bootles of classic albums of Agony, Anacrusis, Hexenhaus, Sortilege... around! But it was easy to see the differences between the original and the bootleg versions!

Now there are much more titles around and they are professional made with identical matrix numbers and same CD prints!

I went to the Metal Assault festival at the 14th february and saw guys from the greece label "No Remorse Rec." who sold boxes of verry professional bootlegs of bands like Protector, Griffin , Risk, Incubus and much more!

This guys are also selling all this stuff online at the webstore www.noremorse.gr for prices between 12 and 25 Euro

Here are just a few examples:

AGGRESSOR - By ANy Means Necessary
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... =AGGRESSOR - BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY (PRIVATE EDITION. SEALED COPY) CD (NEW)

ANGEL DUST - TO DUST YOU WILL DECAY (+2 BONUS TRACK) CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... ___p=ANGEL DUST - TO DUST YOU WILL DECAY (+2 BONUS TRACK) CD (NEW)

ANIHILATED - CREATED IN HATE CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... ANIHILATED - CREATED IN HATE CD (NEW)

ASSASSIN - INTERSTELLAR EXPERIENCE CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... p=ASSASSIN - INTERSTELLAR EXPERIENCE CD (NEW)

ASSASSIN - THE UPCOMING TERROR CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... p=ASSASSIN - THE UPCOMING TERROR CD (NEW)

CORONER - NO MORE COLOR CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... _p=CORONER - NO MORE COLOR CD (NEW)

CORONER - PUNISHMENT FOR DECADENCE CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... _p=CORONER - PUNISHMENT FOR DECADENCE CD (NEW)

CORONER - R.I.P. CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... _p=CORONER - R.I.P. CD (NEW)

COVEN - BLESSED IN THE BLACK CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... ___p=COVEN - BLESSED IN THE BLACK CD (NEW)

CYCLONE - INFERIOR TO NONE CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... _p=CYCLONE - INFERIOR TO NONE CD (NEW)

D.R.I. - 4 OF A KIND CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... ___p=D.R.I. - 4 OF A KIND CD (NEW)

D.R.I. - THRASH ZONE CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... ___p=D.R.I. - THRASH ZONE CD (NEW)

DEATH ANGEL - THE ULTRA VIOLENCE CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... ___p=DEATH ANGEL - THE ULTRA VIOLENCE CD (NEW)

DEATHROW - DECEPTION IGNORED CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... p=DEATHROW - DECEPTION IGNORED CD (NEW)

DESTINY - ATOMIC WINTER CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... _p=DESTINY - ATOMIC WINTER CD (NEW)

EXCITER - HEAVY METAL MANIAC/VIOLENCE & FORCE CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... _p=EXCITER - HEAVY METAL MANIAC/VIOLENCE & FORCE CD (NEW)

GRIFFIN - FLIGHT OF THE GRIFFIN CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... _p=GRIFFIN - FLIGHT OF THE GRIFFIN CD (NEW)

GRIFFIN - PROTECTORS OF THE LAIR CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... _p=GRIFFIN - PROTECTORS OF THE LAIR CD (NEW)

HOLY TERROR - MIND WARS CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... &___p=HOLY TERROR - MIND WARS CD (NEW)

INCUBUS - BEYOND THE UNKNOWN CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... _p=INCUBUS - BEYOND THE UNKNOWN CD (NEW)

INCUBUS - SERPENT TEMPTATION CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... _p=INCUBUS - SERPENT TEMPTATION CD (NEW)

LETHAL - PROGRAMMED CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... __p=LETHAL - PROGRAMMED CD (NEW)

LIAR - CHEATIN" GAMES CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... &___p=LIAR - CHEATIN

MANIA - CHANGING TIMES CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... ___p=MANIA - CHANGING TIMES CD (NEW)

PROTECTOR - A SHEDDING OF SKIN CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... =PROTECTOR - A SHEDDING OF SKIN CD (NEW)

PROTECTOR - GOLEM CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... =PROTECTOR - GOLEM CD (NEW)

RISK - DIRTY SURFACES CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... &___p=RISK - DIRTY SURFACES CD (NEW)

RISK - HELL"S ANIMALS CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... &___p=RISK - HELL

RUNNING WILD - BRANDED AND EXILED CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... _p=RUNNING WILD - BRANDED AND EXILED CD (NEW)

RUNNING WILD - GATES TO PURGATORY (+ 2 BONUS TRACKS) CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... _p=RUNNING WILD - GATES TO PURGATORY (+ 2 BONUS TRACKS) CD (NEW)

SACRED OATH - A CRYSTAL VISION (DIGI PACK) CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... __p=SACRED OATH - A CRYSTAL VISION (DIGI PACK) CD (NEW)

SAINT VITUS - C.O.D. CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... ___p=SAINT VITUS - C.O.D. CD (NEW)

SAINT VITUS - DIE HEALING CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... ___p=SAINT VITUS - DIE HEALING CD (NEW)

SINNER - DANGEROUS CHARM CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... __p=SINNER - DANGEROUS CHARM CD (NEW)

SINNER - FAST DECISION CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... __p=SINNER - FAST DECISION CD (NEW)

STEEL VENGEANCE - LIVE AMONG THE DEAD CD (NEW)
http://www.noremorse.gr/product_info.ph ... ___p=STEEL VENGEANCE - LIVE AMONG THE DEAD CD (NEW)

Spread this message to all collectors and metal maniacs to warn them and to stop this madness!

cheers
Markus

Zdan · Post by **Zdan** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:06 pm

As for the Mania bootleg can anyone tell me the difference between that and the Noise Records original pressing?

Warepire · Post by **Warepire** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:18 pm

Considering that No Remorse is a legit label (and even registered here) it is very sad to see that they have sunken to this level, I am almost ashamed to own some of the No Remorse CDs.

Yakish · Post by **Yakish** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:37 pm

Cyrcka wrote:This guys are also selling all this stuff online at the webstore www.noremorse.gr for prices between 12 and 25 Euro

Here are just a few examples:
(List)

It needs to be here among bootleg labels:
http://www.metal-treasures.com/2011/04/bootlegs.html

Cyrcka · Post by **Cyrcka** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:31 pm

so are those releases from the No Remorse label boot? Like Randy, Fact, Invader, May Linn etc
I had bought Dealer cd and if thats a official reissue is very bad, they could have extracted from the original vinyl (since they might not have the masters) but they didn´t because the sound is taken from a very low bitrate, mp3 or something. For the other releases i never heard, except for Randy...

Yakish · Post by **Yakish** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:59 pm

Zdan wrote:As for the Mania bootleg can anyone tell me the difference between that and the Noise Records original pressing?

I can only help with scan of original CD if you need it of course

sagrotan · Post by **sagrotan** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:47 pm

apparently, they took them all off

Helstar · Post by **Helstar** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:16 pm

It happened also with Agressor some time ago, I think they read this forum ^^

Zdan · Post by **Zdan** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:23 am

Yakish wrote:
Zdan wrote:As for the Mania bootleg can anyone tell me the difference between that and the Noise Records original pressing?
I can only help with scan of original CD if you need it of course

If you can do that it would be great. I need to double check my CD because I got it recently so it might be a bootleg.

As for No Remorse and the May Linn, Dealer, Randy stuff by all acounts it is legit. Not really great re-releases but legit anyway. It's the same case as with Sonic Age/Cult Metal Classics - they sell bootlegs at their store but their own releases are legit.