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Question about Paradoxx - Plan of Attak

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:25 pm
by johnnysteel
Has anyone here ever seen or heard of a version of the Plan of Attak EP with no white border on the back? I had a chance to get a copy recently, but the back cover has me a little concerned.

Here is the regular back cover:
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And here is the copy in question:
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You can also see on the second copy the handle of the sword at the top of the cover is cut off.

Any info on this would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Question about Paradoxx - Plan of Attak

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 6:56 am
by Avenger
I smell a bootleg. I doubt such a tiny label released two different versions of this.

Re: Question about Paradoxx - Plan of Attak

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 8:13 am
by Priamos
Avenger wrote:I smell a bootleg. I doubt such a tiny label released two different versions of this.
I'm afraid, I thought so too...However, the only way to be sure is to wait for another similar sealed copy to appear soon. "Lonely" bootlegs are not a usual phenomenon.

Re: Question about Paradoxx - Plan of Attak

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:54 pm
by Khnud
That second one has counterfeit written all over it.

Re: Question about Paradoxx - Plan of Attak

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:05 pm
by johnnysteel
I didn't want to jump to conclusions, but of course that's what had to assume. The guy who owns it claims he got it about 5 years ago, through eBay. Apparently he worked out a deal with the seller and the auction was ended early. If that's true I'm just surprised that no one has seen another copy yet.

Re: Question about Paradoxx - Plan of Attak

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 6:28 pm
by doomedplanet
That is strange another one like it has not turned up, leading me to believe it might be something made very recent. Don't usually see boots in shrink but i guess all it takes is a shrinkwrap machine.... Have you sent photos to other Paradoxx owners? I haven't held a copy in my hands for over 20 years so I'm not help with comparing to a real one.

You should show photos of the label. The key is always the matrix code and also how the matrix is imprinted in the dead wax, that is very difficult to replicate if they managed to pull off the rest.

Re: Question about Paradoxx - Plan of Attak

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 8:37 pm
by johnnysteel
I've contacted at least 5 other collectors with confirmed originals and all had the white border. So far I haven't found anyone who has seen one like this without the border.

I'm waiting to hear back from the guy about the matrix info, will keep everybody updated of course.

I have a picture of the label, and I was able to get one from the discogs page for the EP (I can't guarantee this photo from discogs is legitimate) but in a side by side comparison there are definitely some differences.

On the left is the label from the discogs page, on the right is the copy in question. A couple differences I see right away are:

A. The fin in the Silver Fin logo is black on one copy (discogs) while the other one (mystery copy) is white.

B. If you look at the circle around the center hole, the second X in the first copy barely touches the circle, while the second X on the other copy is almost entirely inside that circle. Same thing with the word "Plan" ...
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The difference in the color of the labels (red vs. pink) doesn't concern me as much because that could just be from the lighting when the two pictures were taken.


If anyone has a copy and would be kind enough to upload a photo of their labels, back cover front cover, matrix info, etc. that would be much appreciated.

Re: Question about Paradoxx - Plan of Attak

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:39 am
by Khnud
Mint copies have shown up on Discogs lately...

Re: Question about Paradoxx - Plan of Attak

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:22 am
by doomedplanet
Whoah, someone wants 5000euro for theirs on discogs. If there is pirate copies around they just have to sell one at that price to justify the cost of the entire pressing.

Re: Question about Paradoxx - Plan of Attak

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:12 pm
by DaN
I also noticed the copy on discogs and threw away a message to the seller some days ago asking if he had pictures of the back sleeve and labels. No reply yet.

Re: Question about Paradoxx - Plan of Attak

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:16 pm
by Prowler
Ok, in other words we need a victim who can afford to buy such a copy only to check out if it's a bootleg indeed?
C'mon DirtyRocker ... don't be shy. It's for a good cause ... :lol:

Re: Question about Paradoxx - Plan of Attak

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:19 pm
by DaN
Prowler wrote:Ok, in other words we need a victim who can afford to buy such a copy only to check out if it's a bootleg indeed?
C'mon DirtyRocker ... don't be shy. It's for a good cause ... :lol:
:lol:

Come to think of it... technically this possible counterfeit could be even more rare than the original. Yep, sounds like a must-buy for Putte..

Re: Question about Paradoxx - Plan of Attak

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 3:38 pm
by Prowler
Correct me if I'm wrong, they only got 1 box with records, didn't like it and never got the rest of the edition. What if they or the pressing plant (for the reason that something with the first edition was wrong) ordered/manufactured a second edition with all corrections done on it?
Of corpse I think it's a bootleg too (just alone the fact that the seller didn't answer for the matrix codes speaks for itself, I'd creep deep into someone's butt if I smell the stench of 5000 Euros :wink: ) but it could be a plausible story too.

Re: Question about Paradoxx - Plan of Attak

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:00 pm
by johnnysteel
Prowler wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, they only got 1 box with records, didn't like it and never got the rest of the edition. What if they or the pressing plant (for the reason that something with the first edition was wrong) ordered/manufactured a second edition with all corrections done on it?

That's exactly why I started this thread. I had a chance to get that copy (no white border) in a trade... I was secretly hoping to discover that it was some ultra limited unknown legitimate version. Obviously I didn't go through with the trade though. All signs point to bootleg.

I messaged that guy on discogs too and haven't heard back yet. Also very suspicious to me. If I was selling a legitimate copy for $5K I'd be responding to those messages damn quick.

Re: Question about Paradoxx - Plan of Attak

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:58 am
by DaN
Just got a reply from the discogs seller. The one he has for sale is the version with the white border on the back sleeve.