Savatage 'Sirens' Different Label Colors?

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nightsblood
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Savatage 'Sirens' Different Label Colors?

Post#1 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:15 pm

Recently noticed that some copies of the 'Sirens' LP on Par have silver labels while others apparently have blue labels. And apparently both the black and blue vinyl versions come with silver or blue labels. Are these different pressings, is one a reissue or a boot....? Thanks for any info.
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chatzial
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Post#2 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:28 pm

No, these are not bootlegs. There are actually 3 different labels of Sirens.
One silver and two blue.

One blue label has songwriter's names under the song tiltles and the other has only the song titles. I used to have both blue labels but some years ago i sold the one.

As for silver label, i never had it but i remember it exists.

There are also two different labels of Avatar single. And i am not refering to the bootleg.

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Post#3 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:59 pm

Yes none of these are boots.

Par pressed a ton of these, That is why I could never get the high price It really is not that Rare.

I think if I remember this correctly and I am sure I dont
SO PLEASE CORRECT ME

PAR pressed stuff as they needed them, So like Avatar there is a Silver and a white label. They pressed 1000 and then still had folks ordering it so they pressed more(But with in like 1-2 months) Note really a second pressing, Same plates/press. Just had to get new labels printed.

The same with the LP as orders came in they would go back and order more to be pressed, I think I heard at one time that they pressed 10K LP's and I really think that could be true, if not More. They had BIG USA distro for the time, Not like most private labels.
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Post#4 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:06 pm

I never noticed this before. I have the color vinyl with silver label and black vinyl with blue label. The blue matches the blue on the cover. both labels only have song titles.
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Post#5 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:51 pm

All I remeber is the following (Don't recall a Blue Vinyl w/Blue Labels)

Avatar Silver Label
Avatar White Label
I have seen both with Promo stamps

Sirens Blue vinyl Silver Label
Sirens Black vinyl Silver Label
Sirens Black vinyl Blue Label

I know I have had all of these
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Post#6 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:45 pm

glockose wrote:All I remeber is the following (Don't recall a Blue Vinyl w/Blue Labels)

Avatar Silver Label
Avatar White Label
I have seen both with Promo stamps

Sirens Blue vinyl Silver Label
Sirens Black vinyl Silver Label
Sirens Black vinyl Blue Label

I know I have had all of these
All the above are correct but there are also 2 different Black vinyl Blue Label presses (as i stated above). I know because i used to have both.

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Post#7 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:57 pm

chatzial wrote:
glockose wrote:All I remeber is the following (Don't recall a Blue Vinyl w/Blue Labels)

Avatar Silver Label
Avatar White Label
I have seen both with Promo stamps

Sirens Blue vinyl Silver Label
Sirens Black vinyl Silver Label
Sirens Black vinyl Blue Label

I know I have had all of these
All the above are correct but there are also 2 different Black vinyl Blue Label presses (as i stated above). I know because i used to have both.
OK, Maybe I just never took time to look.
But like I said they just kept the thing in press for about 1 year so who knows a real # on how many are out there.
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Post#8 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:40 pm

YOU ARE CORRECT

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Post#9 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:49 pm

glockose wrote:All I remeber is the following (Don't recall a Blue Vinyl w/Blue Labels)

Avatar Silver Label
Avatar White Label
I have seen both with Promo stamps

Sirens Blue vinyl Silver Label
Sirens Black vinyl Silver Label
Sirens Black vinyl Blue Label

I know I have had all of these
Thanks for the clarifications folks.
John- there is 1 pic on popsike of a blue vinyl + blue label copy.
http://www.popsike.com/Savatage-Sirens- ... 74141.html

Can we assume that the yellow vinyl Avatars all had the same colored label? God help us all if there are sub-varieties of that!
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Post#10 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:55 pm

nightsblood wrote:
glockose wrote:All I remeber is the following (Don't recall a Blue Vinyl w/Blue Labels)

Avatar Silver Label
Avatar White Label
I have seen both with Promo stamps

Sirens Blue vinyl Silver Label
Sirens Black vinyl Silver Label
Sirens Black vinyl Blue Label

I know I have had all of these
Thanks for the clarifications folks.
John- there is 1 pic on popsike of a blue vinyl + blue label copy.
http://www.popsike.com/Savatage-Sirens- ... 74141.html

Can we assume that the yellow vinyl Avatars all had the same colored label? God help us all if there are sub-varieties of that!
Never seen that before.
The cover looks OLD but the black streak in the vinyl is also Odd

This record was EVERYWHERE in the late 80's early 90's
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Post#11 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:21 pm

Are the "Sirens" Test Pressings worth good money or not? And does anybody know about how many test pressings they would have done for a record like this?

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Post#12 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:27 pm

I got mine at Ralph's out in Lubbock in the mid-90s. I never picked up a blue vinyl copy; while I like Savatage a lot, 'Sirens' is not a personal favorite so I never could justify paying that much just to have it on both colors of vinyl. As such I'm not gonna be putting together a 'labels set' anytime soon either :)

I think part of the high price is just related to popularity; Savatage has a ton of fans, so demand is high, even though there's a healthy supply of copies. Same goes for the Yellow Goat and the Soundhouse Tapes; finding a copy isn't hard, but outbidding the hundreds of Bathory/Maiden fans is tough. Plenty of metal records are rarer than these, but the bands are more obscure so fewer people are willing to pay a lot for their records. Goes back to the 'Rarity versus Notoriety' issue I babble about all the time :)
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Post#13 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:47 pm

Buried By Time and Dust wrote:Are the "Sirens" Test Pressings worth good money or not? And does anybody know about how many test pressings they would have done for a record like this?
Are we talking the PAR test or Combat or MFN or.............

As for most I would guess the Test was done in a 5-10 #
But combat was know to use tests as advance copies and some where pressed in the 25-50 range
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Post#14 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:19 pm

John,I believe it's the Par test.I need to check.

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Post#15 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:22 pm

glockose wrote: Avatar Silver Label
Avatar White Label
Isn't the bootleg a white label also? How do you tell the difference from the legit white label and the bootleg?
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