Is Metal collecting still Fun?

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Is Metal collecting still Fun?

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This is a very interesting subject that I think deserves its own topic, so split from the Recent Metal Finds thread...
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GulliverFoyle wrote: Fri Jan 02, 2026 8:53 am I guess discogs took almost all the fun away...People are nuts...
I totally agree. Presently, I have close to 10.000 items for sale on my want list on Discogs. 99.9% of them are ridiculously overpriced. I mean, if a record usually sells for €30 in NM condition, why on Earth are you listing your VG/VG copy for €150? It just makes no sense whatsoever. And it's not just a few random bozos doing this, it's all over the place.

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Khnud wrote: Fri Jan 02, 2026 10:58 am
GulliverFoyle wrote: Fri Jan 02, 2026 8:53 am I guess discogs took almost all the fun away...People are nuts...
I totally agree. Presently, I have close to 10.000 items for sale on my want list on Discogs. 99.9% of them are ridiculously overpriced. I mean, if a record usually sells for €30 in NM condition, why on Earth are you listing your VG/VG copy for €150? It just makes no sense whatsoever. And it's not just a few random bozos doing this, it's all over the place.

Record collecting isn't fun anymore.
Agreed as well here, I'm back to trading demos and xeroxing zine with a small number of individuals. I could afford my last top wants but honestly I just don't want to give this kind of money to anyone for a record...
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Khnud wrote: Fri Jan 02, 2026 10:58 am
GulliverFoyle wrote: Fri Jan 02, 2026 8:53 am I guess discogs took almost all the fun away...People are nuts...
I totally agree. Presently, I have close to 10.000 items for sale on my want list on Discogs. 99.9% of them are ridiculously overpriced. I mean, if a record usually sells for €30 in NM condition, why on Earth are you listing your VG/VG copy for €150? It just makes no sense whatsoever. And it's not just a few random bozos doing this, it's all over the place.

Record collecting isn't fun anymore.
Yes, I agree on that. I haven't bought shit on Discocks since 2019 (before the pandemic) due to overprice fees and BS. I stick to Marketplace and record stores now. I wanna try go to record fairs too.
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Khnud wrote: Fri Jan 02, 2026 10:58 am
GulliverFoyle wrote: Fri Jan 02, 2026 8:53 am I guess discogs took almost all the fun away...People are nuts...
I totally agree. Presently, I have close to 10.000 items for sale on my want list on Discogs. 99.9% of them are ridiculously overpriced. I mean, if a record usually sells for €30 in NM condition, why on Earth are you listing your VG/VG copy for €150? It just makes no sense whatsoever. And it's not just a few random bozos doing this, it's all over the place.

Record collecting isn't fun anymore.
For the most part I couldn’t agree more. I basically gave up collecting for the last two years because of this. Discogs and eBay have gone off the rails with asking prices, and all the brick n mortar stores near me are using the asking prices they see online to price their in store stock. Very disheartening. That being said though, for some reason the last month or two I’ve been kinda inspired to start digging around a little online again, and I did somehow manage to land a few real bargains that I’m pretty excited about!

Got those Aryon singles from eBay. Nothing crazy but I thought I was getting one copy for $9.99, opened the package to find two copies!

The Silent Listener was also from eBay, $15!! Again, nothing insane, but the kind of bargain you don’t get that often anymore.

The one that really relit the flame in this ol collectors heart though, was that London Address EP! Private sale for $75. It’s the second copy I’ve ever seen. First was the one that showed up out of nowhere on eBay a few years ago. I tracked that thing like crazy after the auction, spoke with several band members and friends of the band. Never found anyone that even owned a copy, never mind one they’d be willing to sell. I didn’t give up on it exactly but kinda just stopped putting any effort into hunting rarities as a whole. Then about a month ago I start poking around a little bit here n there. Nothing crazy, very minimal. But I pretty quickly found a guy who owned a copy and was happy to sell at a very agreeable price, in my opinion.

As a whole the state of collecting is definitely quite dismal these days, no question there. But eeeevery now and then it seems there’s still some cool scores to be found, even in this day n age
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johnnysteel wrote: Sat Jan 03, 2026 4:34 amAs a whole the state of collecting is definitely quite dismal these days, no question there. But eeeevery now and then it seems there’s still some cool scores to be found, even in this day n age
Perhaps, but there's a limit on how much time collectors are willing to invest in order to score a few deals per year. Is it really worth all the effort?

A few years ago, Discogs inventory manager used to tell you if one of your listed sale items was priced too high. The algorithm was crude, but it was a way of telling a seller that the item wasn't likely to sell at the current asking price. Of course Discogs staff soon removed it, probably because they thought they'd make more money if sellers weren't told their items were overpriced. But what really happens is that sellers will increase their prices so much, no one is interested in buying the items any longer. And less sales = less revenue for Discogs. I strongly believe that if Discogs is to survive in the long run, they need to address this problem in one way or another.

Right now, I've almost completely given up on collecting vinyl records. I mostly buy CDs, they're infinitely more affordable.
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Khnud wrote: Sun Jan 04, 2026 11:59 am
johnnysteel wrote: Sat Jan 03, 2026 4:34 amAs a whole the state of collecting is definitely quite dismal these days, no question there. But eeeevery now and then it seems there’s still some cool scores to be found, even in this day n age
Perhaps, but there's a limit on how much time collectors are willing to invest in order to score a few deals per year. Is it really worth all the effort?

A few years ago, Discogs inventory manager used to tell you if one of your listed sale items was priced too high. The algorithm was crude, but it was a way of telling a seller that the item wasn't likely to sell at the current asking price. Of course Discogs staff soon removed it, probably because they thought they'd make more money if sellers weren't told their items were overpriced. But what really happens is that sellers will increase their prices so much, no one is interested in buying the items any longer. And less sales = less revenue for Discogs. I strongly believe that if Discogs is to survive in the long run, they need to address this problem in one way or another.

Right now, I've almost completely given up on collecting vinyl records. I mostly buy CDs, they're infinitely more affordable.
I fully agree with everything you’ve said here. Especially the time invested part. I’d have to look back and really think on it to be sure but I think I bought around 10-14 records in 2025. After going to the local stores enough times over the last few years and each time seeing the same beat up Kiss records with $200 price tags, and $75 trashed Van Halen records, still sitting in the bins year after year, I stopped even checking. Same goes for online. For the most part I’m just not checking discogs, eBay etc anymore.
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Great discussion!
Yeah I'm still having a fair bit of fun Metal-hunting, but when taking stock on the haul of recent years I notice a large amount of it is reissues (mostly demos) - much more so than back in the days. Another trend I see it paying higher prices for classic rarities & olde want-list items, but I guess that's a result of getting older w/ more disposable income. It's slowly getting more & more absurd though, and I generally agree with many notions here. A totally depressing and very recent example was when I was offered this classic Thrash-record that's been an embarrassing hole in the collection for ages (ok, so it was Sodom - Persecution Mania :oops: ). Turns out it nowadays has a discogs-median of €137 :cry:

To make a positive stand: Outside the realm of Classics that everyone wants and the Kült and more hyped private pressings, there's still this really large pool of cool inbetween- and underrated records that I'd say are still affordable. If they have become slightly more expensive in later years, it's usually due to inflation. Like, I can take a €10 or €50 record from 10 years ago costing me €20 or €80 today, no probs.

If only for keeping our spirits up, I think we should have more recommendation-threads on these type of underrated & overseen records around here, because there sure were a lot of them.
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Perhaps I should rephrase: metal collecting is still fun. Vinyl record collecting sure isn't.

I have no problem with a Sodom record listed at €137 if that's the current median price, i.e. what folks are willing to pay for it. What I do have a problem with is all these sellers asking prices that no sane person will pay.

I've literally seen the same records getting relisted on Discogs at five, ten times the previous sold maximum price (sometimes even more than that) by the same sellers, for over 5 years. The items never sell and the sellers just keep relisting them over and over again. I mean, what's the point? And it's not some collector who wants to show off his rarities and isn't really interested in selling in the first place. No, these are regular brick and mortar stores that are supposed to turn a profit from actually selling things. So why do they insist on listing items at prices that will never sell? I just don't get it. And this isn't a rare occurence. It's all over Discogs.

I liked eBay auctions. Items sold for what folks were willing to pay. Discogs is just absolute crap when it comes to vintage vinyl nowadays.
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Not as fun as it used to be, which is for several reasons. Discogs has many faults, one of which is the "suggested price" algorithm in work when one lists items for sale. It seems to operate on the assumption that every copy added must be more expensive than others recently sold, and I'm convinced it contributes to move asking prices upwards. As "Persecution Mania" was mentioned, the algorithm currently suggests 340 euros for an NM copy, 260 for VG+, 180 for VG etc.

Part of it is our already massive collections. We just don't find that much anymore because we already have so much. More than once I've walked out of a record fair thinking something along the lines of "if I didn't have all those records already I would have made quite some decent finds today".

For most of 2024, I largely dismissed the scarce metal records and stocked up on some 70's hard rock I didn't have. Rush, Budgie, Kansas, Deep Purple, you name it. I found most of them in shops, precious few of them were expensive, and it was certainly fun to walk into shops realistically expecting to find something I wanted for a change.

People say there are no bargains anymore. That's because it's so easy to check out sales history online. Record dealers, even charity shop owners, no longer need to make wild guesses on records they've never heard of. Bad for us, but think of it the other way. What's a bargain, really? It's when you serve up a shit eating grin to some poor guy behind a counter while you rob them. :D

Another consequence of the easily accessible sales history is that desirable records no longer fall into the laps of record store owners for peanuts. They have to pay to get anything to stock at all and must thus price accordingly when they resell.

Honestly, while I basically agree with everything that's been said, this is a tune I've heard sung ever since I started collecting second hand vinyl in the year 2003. Older collectors always found that bygone days were better. Used records weren't as cheap in 2005 as they were in 1995 etc. I'll illustrate with some anecdotes.

Some 17 or 18 years ago, I was mocked for paying 20 euros or some such for a pristine copy of Savatage's "Hall of the Mountain King". According to this older dude, Savatage were such a household name that no record of theirs could possibly be worth that much second hand. Well guess what...

I remember this guy on a forum who thought record collectors were pretentious douchebags. He would rather listen a million times to his 5 euro copy of "Ace of Spades" than hear a note off any crap rarity that cost more than any record had the right to cost. When could you last get "Ace of Spades" for 5 euros?

I've accepted that the natural order of things is that most records will cost more second hand today than they did a year ago. People seem to have a problem with seeing scale. It might have seemed like the supply of used Iron Maiden records was infinite, but it never was. The only records that don't get more expensive with time are those nobody wants. "Back in the day" it was not unusual for record stores to have 10 extra copies of "Powerslave" in storage – perhaps they wouldn't even accept another copy if offered – but that's no longer common. One day or another will be the last time someone walks into your favorite record shop with a copy of "Powerslave" they seek to dispose of. On that day, it isn't going to be sold at 10 euros and resold at 20.

TLDR: It's getting harder to find records at affordable prices because there are fewer records to be found at all, for everyone (collectors, dealers and stores).
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Phew, I'm glad I have that Persecution Mania already. Didn't have to pay much for it either. :twisted: You're probably on to something with that "suggested price" algorithm. Of course Discogs want to inflate prices little by little all the time. The higher an item sells for, the more revenue Discogs will get from the sale. With the added drawback that as soon as the algorithm suggests a price that's too high, buyers refuse to buy. Which means no revenue at all for Discogs. As I've said many times before - this is a real threat to their business model and is something that needs to be addressed if Discogs is to survive long term. How many times before haven't we seen good projects go down the drain because of unbridled corporate greed?

I generally agree with everything you say, but it still doesn't explain why many sellers insist on trying to sell items at 10x their value on Discogs, and fail year after year. If I go to a local record store with my VG/VG 30€ copy and want to sell it to them for €30, there's just no way they'd say "Sure, here's your 30 bucks" and then expect to be able to sell it on Discogs for €150, or even €50. Stores where I live usually offer around half the median Discogs price when taking in items, and usually price them at around 120% median Discogs price in the store. Sounds fair to me. In fact, I buy most vinyl in physical stores nowadays because they're often priced lower than online. It used to be the other way around. Again, I blame Discogs...

But on to something positive. Buying used CDs is fun! I usually scour every thrift store in a 50 kilometer radius from where I live for hard rock/metal CDs. Lots of stuff to be found, both unknown gems and the classics. And if it turns out I don't like a CD, I just resell it on... wait for it... Discogs. At a reasonable price of course. :mrgreen:
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It still can be fun, if you are open-minded about the format. I look for vinyl, tape, shirts, zines, etc.
Most months I can get something nice for a decent price in one of those formats. If I'd focus on vinyl only, and even more so a specific genre (i.e. second wave black metal firstpress vinyl for example, it would turn into a very frustrating experience.

I've recently been on quite the Vinted-splurge. Half of it bootleg shirts yes, but priced at 5-10 euro with 2 euro shipping. Some old tapes too, some zines, just one record though (although I don't understand why not more sellers offer vinyl there because the shipping cost is unbeatable. Would be ideal to pick up 15-25 euro vinyls through there).

About the level of prices: vinyl is more en vogue, but it's mostly just, well, people like us, who push the price up, really. Most of us won't buy a copy of Persecution mania for €136 (shamefully I have to admit I miss this one too, but it might be compensated by my three copies of Obsessed by cruelty Steamhammer press..used to pick up those whenever I saw one for €5-€10) but someone here might, just thinking 'fuck it, I want one and can afford one'. Thus making €136 the new benchmark, and people don't like to sell below the benchmark.
I know I've thought 'fuck it, I need one and can afford one' a few times in recent years. I bought a white goat with insert for €220 just because I have a yellow goat (which actually costed me less than the white goat...) with the insert missing.

I reckon 65% of my vinyl purchases are demo compilations or reissues. 20% are vintage presses (some expensive some cheap) and 15% will be new releases. 20 years ago 65% of my purchases would have been vintage presses but (A) after a while you've got a lot of the good music in your collection and (B) even if I can afford it, I don't want to pay current market prices for a lot of my wants.
Khnud wrote: Wed Jan 07, 2026 2:52 pmI generally agree with everything you say, but it still doesn't explain why many sellers insist on trying to sell items at 10x their value on Discogs, and fail year after year. If I go to a local record store with my VG/VG 30€ copy and want to sell it to them for €30, there's just no way they'd say "Sure, here's your 30 bucks" and then expect to be able to sell it on Discogs for €150, or even €50. Stores where I live usually offer around half the median Discogs price when taking in items, and usually price them at around 120% median Discogs price in the store. Sounds fair to me. In fact, I buy most vinyl in physical stores nowadays because they're often priced lower than online. It used to be the other way around. Again, I blame Discogs..
Why people list it without a realistic chance of being sold = because you can have 10 000 items up and it won't cost you a cent until someone actually buys anything. With stores it's somewhat different because they don't want to sit on an inventory that doesn't move (well, but shops don't want that). But a private seller just listing stuff from his private collection, thinking 'if a fool wants to buy it at this price he can', doesn't need to actually sell anything.
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DaN wrote: Tue Jan 06, 2026 10:16 pm Outside the realm of Classics that everyone wants and the Kült and more hyped private pressings, there's still this really large pool of cool inbetween- and underrated records that I'd say are still affordable. If they have become slightly more expensive in later years, it's usually due to inflation. Like, I can take a €10 or €50 record from 10 years ago costing me €20 or €80 today, no probs.
If only for keeping our spirits up, I think we should have more recommendation-threads on these type of underrated & overseen records around here, because there sure were a lot of them.
Whilst i like that idea, i fear the unwelcome outcome of discussing & recommending those "underrated & overseen records" here would ironically be to drive up their asking prices. A depressing thought, but one worth considering.
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Yeah, it's still fun. Sooo many discoveries still...
It's true that on Discogs and Ebay there's mainly "black sheep sellers", who are trying to fool the younger guys with prices ranging from 3x till 10x the common market prices and I'm sure there's the one or another jerk who indeed is paying those. But in general (I mean you saw my last purchases) the prices are even lower for super raries than like 10 or 15 years ago. If 10 years ago a special record's price was like $300, now you can get a copy for $100 or $150, which sounds much more affordable. Though not every day, but more often than you may imagine. Still alot of "cheap" stuff out there ... just keep your eyes open! :D
Just ignore the exorbitant prices of certain sellers...
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@DaN: 137 E for a Sodom nowadays is rather "cheap". There's been a copy for sale a few weeks ago on German ebay and within 2 days the price was up to 200 E already.
Though I don't understand why old Motörhead or Ozzy records, that exist in millions of copies, need to be priced like 30 E minimum.
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Hmm, I checked sold Sodom - Persecution Mania items on German eBay and the most expensive one from a German seller sold in December for 161€. Perhaps I just can't find it. Do you have a link to the auction?

Another one I can't figure out is Rust In Peace by Megadeth. A quite common record, but original US pressings go for around 300€ nowadays. Insane.
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