Bad Ebay Users - The Official Warning Thread

wom · Post by **wom** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:52 am

I have sent 'gift' payments twice lately and got my stuff.
I have one more right now, so i cannot tell whats going to happen at the moment.

I know its risky but not everyone is a thief and trusting others was the core of oldschool trade scene. I guess i am old

Heathen · Post by **Heathen** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:57 am

I'd never send a payment as a gift on Paypal. This is subject to paypal fees too, so if a seller asks to send as gift this probabily means he wants the buyer protection mechanism switched off. And that's suspicious.

wom · Post by **wom** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:58 am

There are no fees if you already have positive paypal balance, plus some sellers wont trust the common buyer.
Or, a gift doesnt look as a commercial transaction in their account, who knows.

Sometimes i ll take my chances

Manta · Post by **Manta** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:24 pm

Avenger wrote:
Helstar wrote:
Avenger wrote: It wouldn't matter anyways. Since you are in Italy all you would have to do is provide a scan of the postal receipt to paypal if a claim was opened and you will automatically win.

Apparently Italy is special in this regard.
If i send not registered, there is no postal receipt...

For the rest, did something happen to you ? Italian seller ? Who ?
A while back I had a package sent to me from Italy that I paid for with paypal. The package never arrived and because it was sent without registration and the seller could not prove that I received it I thought that filing the dispute would be an automatic easy win according to paypal protocol. The case was decided in the sellers favour. Pissed off, I called paypal customer service where I was told that Italian law considers any package that has proof of shipment to have been received by the recipient. I explained that paypal has a strict policy in every single other dispute that I have ever been involved with that no Tracking Number means that there is no proof that the package was delivered and therefore I should win the case. They told me that Italy is an exception to this case and that all the seller has to do is provide "proof" that the package was shipped and not that it was successfully delivered.

Needless to say, this was another case where I had to file a chargeback with my credit card company to get my money back.

It was complete bullshit.

Now, I don’t know how the postal system works in Italy so what would be considered “proof of shipment”? I assumed a payment receipt...

This kind of law Italy has needs to be applied in America.

I'm tired of foreigners "crying wolf" and PayPal siding in their favor, even though honest seller has custom slip copy plus receipt, plus shipping code easy to view online to prove his case.

I would definitely support a movement to stop PayPal's unwelcome indifference towards honest sellers. At least keep the proof of delivery rule for domestic sales only. Now that shipping fees have increased, there is more concern for buyer fraud.

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:02 pm

Manta wrote:
Avenger wrote:
Helstar wrote: If i send not registered, there is no postal receipt...

For the rest, did something happen to you ? Italian seller ? Who ?
A while back I had a package sent to me from Italy that I paid for with paypal. The package never arrived and because it was sent without registration and the seller could not prove that I received it I thought that filing the dispute would be an automatic easy win according to paypal protocol. The case was decided in the sellers favour. Pissed off, I called paypal customer service where I was told that Italian law considers any package that has proof of shipment to have been received by the recipient. I explained that paypal has a strict policy in every single other dispute that I have ever been involved with that no Tracking Number means that there is no proof that the package was delivered and therefore I should win the case. They told me that Italy is an exception to this case and that all the seller has to do is provide "proof" that the package was shipped and not that it was successfully delivered.

Needless to say, this was another case where I had to file a chargeback with my credit card company to get my money back.

It was complete bullshit.

Now, I don’t know how the postal system works in Italy so what would be considered “proof of shipment”? I assumed a payment receipt...
This kind of law Italy has needs to be applied in America.

I'm tired of foreigners "crying wolf" and PayPal siding in their favor, even though honest seller has custom slip copy plus receipt, plus shipping code easy to view online to prove his case.

I would definitely support a movement to stop PayPal's unwelcome indifference towards honest sellers. At least keep the proof of delivery rule for domestic sales only. Now that shipping fees have increased, there is more concern for buyer fraud.

I don't know why you think the US should be exempt from this... There's a simple solution to all this nonsense, do not pay or accept payment by paypal. They are too inconsistent. Regardless what the situation is there are always loopholes as well.

Apparently, the Google payment system is starting to gain some momentum so hopefully it will give paypal some competition in the coming years and will cut down on the bullshit.

Manta · Post by **Manta** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:57 pm

Simple solution is for PayPal to stop messing around. And what makes you think only the US should be exempt? The only reason I mentioned "America" is because it is where I live.

Moreover, to stop accepting payments by PayPal signifies a tremendous (key word) derease in customers. So it's more complicated than just simply disregarding the service. Thus it's not an easy solution.

I like your input though, and I appreciate the mention of google payments (I wasn't aware of this service). Maybe eBay will start involving this alternative, even at the expense of their own PayPal company.

Helstar · Post by **Helstar** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:05 pm

What about Skrill (ex Moneybookers) ? https://www.moneybookers.com/app/

emperor.zola · Post by **emperor.zola** » Sun May 05, 2013 7:36 pm

thrasher1101 on ebay bidding on his items as:
nightspirit0510 (100% sure)
driver19880224 (80% sure)
tangyushi666 (80% sure)

Heathen · Post by **Heathen** » Mon May 06, 2013 8:06 pm

I've recently sold items to both driver19880224 and thrasher1101 and they seem to be different guys. At least they have different names and addresses

both good buyers.

Helstar · Post by **Helstar** » Mon May 06, 2013 8:12 pm

They could be friends, 'helping' each other ... saw this problem for the Chronical Disturbance cd: I've tried to win it but guess who did ... now it's on auction again, 'buy it now' and higher price compared to the open auction price, says it all.

emperor.zola · Post by **emperor.zola** » Tue May 07, 2013 8:54 pm

Heathen wrote:I've recently sold items to both driver19880224 and thrasher1101 and they seem to be different guys. At least they have different names and addresses both good buyers.

I guess if you live in a country with over a billion ppl. it's not that difficult to find someone to help you out with a different mailing address....

Glockose · Post by **Glockose** » Tue May 21, 2013 1:06 pm

Does anyone know this user???

Raven9999

MassOfKthulu · Post by **MassOfKthulu** » Tue May 21, 2013 1:12 pm

hey i even saw mr P. on facebook ,he even posted his pictures, wow,living dangerously

Glockose · Post by **Glockose** » Tue May 21, 2013 1:30 pm

MassOfKthulu wrote:hey i even saw mr P. on facebook ,he even posted his pictures, wow,living dangerously

HAHAHA

Thats what I thought, No the Dangerous part but just how long he thought he could fool folks.

FUNNY STORY
Last year I bought something from Raven9999 (kind of knowing who it was)
I received the box no problem and all was well.

The name on the box was someone I didn't know so I looked up the address he wrote. Very funny it did not exist, and he put the town as a town about 100 miles from the post mark which was JP's home town.

I guess he didn't want me to know who it was but didn't mind selling me something

MassOfKthulu · Post by **MassOfKthulu** » Tue May 21, 2013 1:38 pm

i just can't get enough of his stories (breaking arms,legs,elbows,car accidents,nuclear holocausts in Ohio,his wife KNOWING what his rarest records are and stealing them) evel knievel of records