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humus wrote: Still, if it skips on one turntable something is wrong.
Well, as DR said, sometimes it depends on the needle/tone arm. Thin/cheap vinyl with shallow grooves may skip unless you increase the tone arm weight.

I have to wonder if the record would have sold for even more if the guy had checked it on other turntables earlier during the listing- he may have cost himself a little money! :)

The effect of Condition on the price of an item this rare is hard to predict. Yes, it seems like an incredible amount for a record that may skip. But if you want to hold out for a Mint copy, how long will you have to wait? And how much more will it cost? 2 copies of Stormchild have sold this year, and when was the last time a copy turned up...........? With a record this rare, you only get a few opportunities to EVER buy it, so you have to think twice before walking away from a copy that has a flaw. It may not be Mint, but do you want to wait another 5 years before another copy shows up? What if that copy is in even worse condition? What if you can't afford it next time it shows up?
Granted, these questions are a non-issue for most of us, as very few people can even consider spending this much on a record regardless of its condition :)

Back to the item, the Bid History is also interesting. 3 people were in the $2,900+ range, but 4th place dropped to about $1,250- big step down after the Top 3. Still, it was not a 2-man bidding war; the top dogs all put in single, last-second bids.

Q: Which, if any, Metal records have sold for more than this? Only ones I know of are the yellow Avatar and Militia (Militia has stayed closer to $2,500-$3,000 for the last 2 copies on ebay, but has sold much higher). I know very little about these ultra-high-dollar Metal records, so I'm sure there are others in that $3,000++ price range that I just don't know about.
Perhaps some of the resident experts won't mind enlightening us?
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still waiting for another Flames of Hell hitting the ebays
the last one some years ago went for 120€ but nowadays it should go nuts
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Hi, I was the seller on the Stormchild 7".

I've had a few problems this week - firstly I was ill just after I listed the record.

I knew it was rare but didn't realise quite how rare.

Once I recovered from the flu I saw the record was going for big money so I thought I better play check it.

It looked hardly played in near mint condition so didn't play it prior to this.

On my deck it jumped on the B-side so I stopped the auction and re-listed with this info.

By the time I had the chance to check it on another deck the auction was nearly over and could not edit the listing so had to post text over the pictures.

I am a record dealer but have other work / home commitments. If I had known it was a mega rarity I would have taken more time on the listing etc.

In the past I've sold some nice Norweigian stuff aswell as UK NWOBHM records but I am an across the board seller and not a metal specialist.

I took the record down to a friends last night and it played absolutely perfectly on his deck, so I did what I could to let anyone interested know that it didn't jump on another deck.

I've tried to be honest with this record. I didn't want to stop it again and re-list because it would look bad.

The record came from a lot that I picked up locally, there surely must be more out there but I've never come across it before. No other local dealer I know has ever seen it either.

I'd be interested to know just how many copies of this were pressed and how many have surfaced? Were they all white labels?

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Hey mate, I recently sold this record to a private Japanese collector. I got just under 2K for mine in vg/vg condition. Mine also looked near enough mint. I had my copy given to me by a friend. He fell on hard times so I sold the record and handed him the cash.

Anyways, he told me he got it direct from the band at a gig in the south back in the day. They weren't for sale he recalls, he jsimply enjoyed the band and passed on his best to them and they handed him the single. My guess is they were for promo purposes only and pressed miniscule quantities.

I've never seen another copy untill your auction and I doubt I'll ever own it again. But at least two copies have been sold in the last couple of months so there is hope. It's a shit single aswell. :D
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I've never seen another copy untill your auction and I doubt I'll ever own it again. But at least two copies have been sold in the last couple of months so there is hope. It's a shit single aswell. :D
Well it wasn't one for my collection for sure. But I don't get this nwobhm stuff, some small press record I think is pretty good is worth £20-30 quid tops and other stuff is woth a fortune. Ah well..

I think this copy could of come from a band member also. I live in Manchester UK, 10-12 miles from Bolton where the record came from. I've had loads of local press singles, punk, nwobhm, diy stuff etc, sometimes getting them quite few times over the years but this one hasn't turned up.

A mate of mine was a local DJ at gigs in the early 80s, he did Iggy Pop, loads of punk stuff, some metal. Showed him the record today, he just laughed, couldn't remember them at all.

One things for sure, everyone is looking out for this now!

But if there are no copies out there then it won't turn up, eh?
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I've never seen another copy untill your auction and I doubt I'll ever own it again. But at least two copies have been sold in the last couple of months so there is hope. It's a shit single aswell. :D
Well it wasn't one for my collection for sure. But I don't get this nwobhm stuff, some small press record I think is pretty good is worth £20-30 quid tops and other stuff is woth a fortune. Ah well..
It's the Germans and Greeks they have a screw loose when it comes to NWOBHM, it's about how limited the record is and not the music that lies between the grooves. I've shifted 40% of the stuff I've had because it was utter crap.

Can you shed any light on a band called Whiskey & The Devil? they released an EP around 1987 in a post NWOBHM/PUNK vein. I can't find any info at all.
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flashback- congratulations on the big sale!
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it's always the german & greek people with xy-genre
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nightsblood wrote:The effect of Condition on the price of an item this rare is hard to predict. Yes, it seems like an incredible amount for a record that may skip. But if you want to hold out for a Mint copy, how long will you have to wait? And how much more will it cost? 2 copies of Stormchild have sold this year, and when was the last time a copy turned up...........? With a record this rare, you only get a few opportunities to EVER buy it, so you have to think twice before walking away from a copy that has a flaw. It may not be Mint, but do you want to wait another 5 years before another copy shows up? What if that copy is in even worse condition? What if you can't afford it next time it shows up?
The bottom line is that this is in the end a piece of music. If the music does not play properly, what is the point in owning it? For the cover art? You might as well just get a scan and print that to hang on your wall for a tiny fraction of the cost. I don't understand buying something just for the sake of owning it even if it doesn't serve it's intended purpose. That's just retarded materialism.
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Unfortunantly, Prestige of owning a "hot" item seems to be the main reason these days. As to somehow "confirm" yourself in the scene. Especially for the younger fans with a lot of money to spare. But, i guess we've all been there at one time or another.
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Avenger wrote:The bottom line is that this is in the end a piece of music. If the music does not play properly, what is the point in owning it? For the cover art? You might as well just get a scan and print that to hang on your wall for a tiny fraction of the cost. I don't understand buying something just for the sake of owning it even if it doesn't serve it's intended purpose. That's just retarded materialism.
I have no problem with people buying records for the cover art, I used to collect paperbacks with wild crazy GGA (good girl art), Stormchild is a cool sleeve anyways.

Flashback81 tested it on another turntable and it worked fine. The trouble with the Stormchild single is simple, it's a badly pressed record, the chances of owning a mint one back in the day were slim judging by how clean my copy was and how shitty it played.

I've sold a large number of white label pressing with piss poor sound, it's not going to get any better unless you track down the masters.
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Satan is Our Pal wrote:Another NWOBHM big hitter.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/amazon-fallen-ang ... 500wt_1182
Really? When it's turned up in the past it's gotten very little attention/few bids. I know Malc's book hypes it as extremely rare, but I've seen 9 copies sell since ~ 2003 and it's never reached $150, even with the sleeve
$73 w/ sleeve
$71 no sleeve
$100 w/ sleeve
$140 w/ sleeve
$53 w/ sleeve
buy it now $100 w/ sleeve and no one did
26 GBP no sleeve
53 GBP no sleeve
34 GBP photocopied sleeve
(only the last 3 are on popsike)

Maybe a couple of those had photocopied sleeves instead of originals, but they were not advertised as such.

Personally I like the songs on it, but it's a very lightweight number, which I always thought explained the relatively low price and general lack of interest in past auctions. I suspect many wouldn't consider it nwobhm at all

You're much more up on nwobhm prices than I am, so if this one has shot up in price or has some alternate picture sleeve or something, please fill us in. I wouldn't mind having it, but it's not something I'd bid very high for given the music style and the previous sale prices I've seen.

Thanks for any additional info you can provide
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i have a feeling that we're going to laugh for once again :D
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