Insane Ebay Auctions - Vinyl, Tapes & Merch (2013)

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doomedplanet wrote:this crazy price for Paradoxx drives me mad because I once held a copy in my hands for $300 and passed on it after listening to it. I thought it was just average and no way would play that inflated price, since also I knew the seller found it for $1. Jim ended up buying it instead and making a tidy profit after he sold it.
My main question, is why has this record never had a vinyl reissue with bonus tracks?
Yeah, the demo material is pretty sweet.

As for Paradoxx vs e.g. Zaxas or Metal Merchant: With Paradoxx you know for sure that there are only circa 50 copies in total (give or take a few), regardless of how many are "known" in collectors' hands. New collectors may hesitate to spend $900 on a Metal Merchant copy because before you know it a left over stock of 100 copies is found and the price plummets. I guess this is where the legendary part comes in. Since everyone knows the upper limit of how many Paradoxx copies exist the price adjusts accordingly. There might only be 12 surviving copies of the Metal Merchant record in total, but since no one can verify it the market will hesitate more.
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doomedplanet wrote:this crazy price for Paradoxx drives me mad because I once held a copy in my hands for $300 and passed on it after listening to it. I thought it was just average and no way would play that inflated price, since also I knew the seller found it for $1. Jim ended up buying it instead and making a tidy profit after he sold it.
My main question, is why has this record never had a vinyl reissue with bonus tracks?
chatzial wrote: But here is an example, Jim Cranford bought over the years many rare records from Ebay (i know, he outbid me in many records). After many years he sold his collection mainly through Ebay. That means that some of his rarities were sold through Ebay twice. And this is only one example.
The REAL funny thing is I was offered THIS copy for $800 and turned it down since there was no insert, and told him to put it on ebay...........
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To destroy the illusions on PARADOXX in positive or negative way and not to blow out sth or be cool....I had 7 copies of PARADOXX which of 5 were sealed....I will dig out the pic I made in the old appartment with those :-) Only one copy of the 7 was from Andi who got it from Charly's collection and bought it...
And I know everyone personally who has one of the 7(6) copies, one for sure is left in my collection...

And none went for 1000 US$ or so...It is a holy grail and will stay forever...for sure there was a time copies were around for 1000, 1200 or 1400...those all were bought from traders or dealers and resold for 2K US$ / € and more...the ebay price is the real price is sells/sold for in Europe the last 5 years outside ebay....

So sorry for destroying another mystery and revealing a long time mystery...but since I have so little time the last months for records and the forum here I take the chance to tell...
I also love Khnuds thread about records drying up, this is ULTRA extreme in Europe in moment...market is dead for all the non Avatars and Paradoxxes...
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nightsblood wrote: Some numbers to consider:
Paradoxx = 50 copies made it into circulation
White Lion = ~ 10 copies known
Critical Mass = ~ 10 copies known
Metal Merchant = ~ 6-7 copies known
Liquid Earth = ~ 6 copies known
Zaxas = < 10 copies known
Paragon = ~ 5 copies known
It took me < 2 minutes to think of six US metal 12" records that are much, much rarer than Paradoxx,
You can't judge if a record is rarer than Padadoxx by how many copies of another record are known at collector's hands.

Here is an example, how many record collectors have the RH FACTOR - Cries of the night LP?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3QXHNJ6xVc

Since i discovered it, i am in position to know that only 6 collectors own it.
That does not make it rarer than Paradoxx.
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You can't judge if a record is rarer than Padadoxx by how many copies of another record are known at collector's hands.
Uh, yes I can. They're 30-year-old private pressings that some collectors have spent years searching for, and yet in every case I mentioned no more than 10 copies have been found. Meanwhile, Peter just told us he alone has had 7 copies of Paradoxx.
Fact: there are more copies of Paradoxx known to still exist than there are copies of the other records. By definition, that makes the other records rarer.

Yes, it is POSSIBLE that a lot more copies of the other albums are out there somewhere. It is also possible someone salvaged a lot of the Paradoxx albums from the pressing plant and they've just been in storage all these years. A lot of copies of Hammer Witch were left at the pressing plant too..... and some of those were sold by the pressing plant and thus eventually made it into circulation.

I do believe the band only took 50 copies from the plant.
I know for a fact that a lot more copies of Paradoxx have turned up over the years compared to those other records I mentioned.
Here is an example, how many record collectors have the RH FACTOR - Cries of the night LP?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3QXHNJ6xVc
Since i discovered it, i am in position to know that only 6 collectors own it.
That does not make it rarer than Paradoxx.
If your numbers are accurate, then yes, it IS rarer than Paradoxx. See explanation above.

You seem to think the pressing size is the ultimate variable. But you must consider how many copies survive today. Let's say only 50 Paradoxxes left the pressing plant, and that 1,000 copies of Liquid Earth were made and left the pressing plant (I don't know the pressing of LE, this is just an example). Today, some 30 years later, only 6-7 copies of LE have been found, but probably 20+ Paradoxxes have been found. Until someone finds more of the LE's, it is the rarer of the two records. I'm not saying it is better musically, and I'm not saying it's more valuable. But there's no way you can claim the Paradoxx is rarer when there are roughly three times as many copies known to exist.

We can never know for sure how many copies have been destroyed over the years. All we can do is count the minimum number of copies that we know to exist. 'Minimum' since there will inevitably be copies in existence that we are not aware of.
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Finally, after more fo 20 relist, 1 bid.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MONSTER-HARD-RO ... 565c0e940d

is not a private label, is a very known in Peru, was even distribution of EMI, and that pressed 100 copies is not confirmed, also copies were sold at $ 500, here in Peru there are more than 50 copies that should be thrown around ... bad luck for the bidder...
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Ryür wrote:Finally, after more fo 20 relist, 1 bid.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MONSTER-HARD-RO ... 565c0e940d

is not a private label, is a very known in Peru, was even distribution of EMI, and that pressed 100 copies is not confirmed, also copies were sold at $ 500, here in Peru there are more than 50 copies that should be thrown around ... bad luck for the bidder...
Very bad condition of the cover. That's why it wasn't sold up to now.
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almost all auctions from m-rulez go very high...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DEATH-Spiritual ... fresh=true
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Ouch....
almost all auctions from m-rulez go very high...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DEATH-Spiritual ... fresh=true
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I know this is not metal at all... but ...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-TOMMY-JOHN ... 0969625287

The story behind it http://www.fuse.tv/2013/10/why-i-paid-3 ... one-record

Thanks to Grimlord for pointing this out :lol:
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Helstar wrote:I know this is not metal at all... but ...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-TOMMY-JOHN ... 0969625287

The story behind it http://www.fuse.tv/2013/10/why-i-paid-3 ... one-record

Thanks to Grimlord for pointing this out :lol:
Let's not forget that this is a single. So it comes to 18550 dollars per track.
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Seems like it's time to hunt for old blues records instead of my metal want list CDs.
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Warepire wrote:
Helstar wrote:I know this is not metal at all... but ...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-TOMMY-JOHN ... 0969625287

The story behind it http://www.fuse.tv/2013/10/why-i-paid-3 ... one-record

Thanks to Grimlord for pointing this out :lol:
Let's not forget that this is a single. So it comes to 18550 dollars per track.
And many people on this site think a couple of hundred bucks for a metal single is outrageous! :lol:

Seriously though, that's a cool story and thanks for posting it. My dad collects blues records (not on THAT level though) so I'll pass this on to him.
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in the last 2/ 3 weeks appeared on ebay many rarities, here is one more:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/SLAUTER-XSTROYE ... 1143156618
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That's not an insane auction though.

Not yet anyway. ;-)
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