Some serious storage issues!

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vasilis2112
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Some serious storage issues!

Post#1 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:00 pm

Hello everyone,

I do have some serious problem here.
I recently received a badly warped brand new pagan altar room of shadows black vinyl LP+10”. Both are warped. It is not the usual warping. It is like labels are being pushed to one side. When I play side 1 only label touches the slipmat with edge being around 1cm above where it should be.
This no way happened here with me since I own it less than a month and it was no more than 2-3 days stacked below other records. The package containing it had 10-15 more records and maybe it was the one in the bottom.

This brought up some old questions of mine regarding proper storing for which I cannot find “scientific” answers.

I first noticed years ago and since I had it in my collection for 1-2 years that my golden Satan’s host’s by the hands... was warped. Both LPs were warped at the same spot.
And recently noticed that my Visigoth revenant king was also slightly warped. Again both records same spot and this is golden vinyl too.

The questions that trouble me are the following:
Can a very tight jacket cause this? (Most American pressed records like OPM are really a pain in the ass to fit them in)
What about gatefold double LPs? Most of them are too tight especially near the “spine” of the jacket (Satan’s host is too tight in there indeed). Should vinyl be stored where they are meant to be, or is this better to be placed between the halves of the gatefold sleeve? If stored between the halves, can curves of the hard paper jacket on the edge of the sleeve near the spine cause any problem? I read that gatefold sleeve are no good for single albums too.
Can posters, extra CDs or any other thick items (like the 10” in the pagan altar) included in the jacket together with the LP cause warping?

I am aware of the basics and I store my records almost vertically and not too tight. See pic. Near 60 records fit in each self. What happens to those on the edges that bear the most pressure? What happens to those in the middle that lean the most?

I would be thankful if you could share your knowledge and opinions on these matters.
I am sorry for the length of the post, but I am worried if I am damaging my collection. I am sure you can understand!
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Noisenik
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Re: Some serious storage issues!

Post#2 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:21 pm

I guess the cause could be exposure to heat or even sunlight, improper storage before you bought 'em, or simply crappy manufacturing by inexperienced ppl in newly established pressing plants.

cds could cause warping if not placed carefully enough in the package, but I hardly believe that those responsible for the packing wouldn't know how to pack vinyl, etc., but live and learn as everything is new t'day

leaning shouldn't be a problem imho, at least not how I see it on the pic.
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vasilis2112
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Re: Some serious storage issues!

Post#3 » Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:31 pm

Noisenik wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:21 pm
improper storage before you bought 'em, or simply crappy manufacturing by inexperienced ppl in newly established pressing plants.
This is what I believe too, but I cannot get the case of tight jackets and gatefold sleeves out of my mind.
How do you store double LPs in the gatefold sleeve?

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Noisenik
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Re: Some serious storage issues!

Post#4 » Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:47 pm

single-record-gatefolds in usual PE sleeves, record (in innersleeve, of course) in between cover,

double record-gatefolds in slim PE sleeves, one record in between cover, the other behind cover,

in both cases openings of the innesleeves 90 degrees to the opening of the sleeve, the opening of the sleeve thus being near top of the shelf space. The opening of the cover also 90 degrees to the opening of the sleeve, but in opposite direction, so it can be faced straight :-)

However, while buying new records, I see that they are packed in shrink-wrap very tightly, so they are actually made to develop a ring-wear. Still, I lack imagination how shrink-wrap could cause vinyl to warp, perhaps bcs of too thin cardboard, but that's seldom case today, if at all. I would add that exposure to heat must somehow be involved here, but prefer not to be asked how.
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vasilis2112
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Re: Some serious storage issues!

Post#5 » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:30 pm

Noisenik wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:47 pm
the other behind cover
Wouldn’t this cause ringwear to the previous record?
Noisenik wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:47 pm
in both cases openings of the innesleeves 90 degrees to the opening of the sleeve, the opening of the sleeve thus being near top of the shelf space. The opening of the cover also 90 degrees to the opening of the sleeve, but in opposite direction, so it can be faced straight :-)
I completely lost you there! Post a photo of you like!

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Noisenik
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Re: Some serious storage issues!

Post#6 » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:10 am

vasilis2112 wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:30 pm
Noisenik wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:47 pm
the other behind cover
Wouldn’t this cause ringwear to the previous record?
It shouldn't, if they're not stuffed like fishes in a can. If you would look on the shelf, the second would be to the left of gatefold, the first would be "in the sandwich". None of them presses to the covers that much. From Karthago / Forgotten Steel school of things, possibly HRR as well ;-)
Noisenik wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:47 pm
in both cases openings of the innesleeves 90 degrees to the opening of the sleeve, the opening of the sleeve thus being near top of the shelf space. The opening of the cover also 90 degrees to the opening of the sleeve, but in opposite direction, so it can be faced straight :-)
a little bit of trivia, that prevents too much of dust getting in. Photos may take some time to make.
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vasilis2112
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Re: Some serious storage issues!

Post#7 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:59 pm

I cannot believe that noone else has such concerns!

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