Retrospect/Retroactive Records: which are CDr?

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Retrospect/Retroactive Records: which are CDr?

Post#1 » Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:42 pm

I have a question for you all.
I am searching for a lot of releases made by Retrospect Records (although most of them are the shabbiest metal ever produced) but I don't know which one of the following is a silver printed/factory pressed CD or a CD-r

Some of them are listed on Discogs and I deleted them from my list (I'm not interested in CDr) but I guess many others are listed as real CD but I am quite sure there are many many others which aren't real silver pressed CD

Which one is 100% silver pressed/factory pressed?

-Aftermath: Don't cheer me up/Straight from hell
-Aftermath: Building up to meltdown
-Ardent: Guilty as charged: the metalogy 1985-1987
-Arioch: Between light and shadow
-Armageddon: The money mask + CD bonus
-Barnabas: Feel the fire + Little foxes
-Blue Tiger: Untamed spirit
-Bride: Live to die
-Defcon (OH): Defcon 1989-1991
-Deliverance: Deliverance
-Deliverance: Weapons of our welfare
-Eric Steel: Infectious
-Final Axe: Beyond Hell's Gate (2005 edition, 10 tx)
-Final Axe: The axe of the apostles
-Firstryke: Just a nightmare
-Genocide: Too long
-Gotham: 12'o clock and all is well
-Haven: Age of darkness
-His Witness: Kingdom come
-Intrinsic: Intrinsic
-Krank: Hideous
-Malisha: Save your savage beast
-Mars: Metaldrone
-Megattack: Raw delivery
-Mistreated: One more for the road
-Napalm: Cruel tranquillity
-Paladin: Paladin
-Radical Dreams: Radical dreams
-Real Steel: Real steel
-Reckless: No frills
-Roadrunner: Teenage warcry
-Sacrament: Testimony of the apocalypse + Presumed dead
-Sardonyx: Majestic serenity + Rebel of reason
-Saviour Machine: 20th anniversary 1990 demo
-Spike Opera: Spike opera
-Stryken: First strike (Girder Records)
-Urban Vault: My soul to take
-Valor/Golgatha: Fight for your life + Golgatha
-Vyper: Prepared to strike
-Warminister: Out of the ashes
-Whitecross: Unveiled
-Whitecross: Ninetyeightyseven
-World War III: World war III
-X Sinner: Loud and proud
-Zion: Thrillseeker
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Parcas Sangrientas
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Re: Retrospect/Retroactive Records: which are CDr?

Post#2 » Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:11 pm

I have Alias"Same" and Pandemonium "Heavy metal soldiers",both are factory pressed cds,I guess most are.
Pandemonium also has a nice booklet.

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Shimrod
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Re: Retrospect/Retroactive Records: which are CDr?

Post#3 » Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:28 pm

Death Mask: Split the atom is on silver cd. The booklet is a bit too large for the case though which makes it wavy.
The Messiah reissues are also not cdrs.

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Re: Retrospect/Retroactive Records: which are CDr?

Post#4 » Sun Oct 04, 2015 5:47 pm

Good, I deleted Alias, Pandemonium and Messiah from the list (I deleted also the other CDs of such bands, as I guess they also are factory pressed).

I suppose that most (if not all) CDs on Retroactive and many on Retrothrash (except for Entice and Poynt Blankk as it seems) should be factory pressed/silver cds.

I have more doubts on the Retrospect releases....I know for sure many of them are pro CDr. But...which are the others from this list?

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Post#5 » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:13 pm

I believe most of the Retrospect CDs are silver, though some have other issues like using an mp3 source.
All the odd sublables like Time Warp, Evil Eye etc, those are 100% CD-R, and 100% bootlegs.
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Re: Retrospect/Retroactive Records: which are CDr?

Post#6 » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:23 pm

Warepire wrote:I believe most of the Retrospect CDs are silver, though some have other issues like using an mp3 source.
All the odd sublables like Time Warp, Evil Eye etc, those are 100% CD-R, and 100% bootlegs.
Thanks for the warning.
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Post#7 » Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:16 pm

Here on Discogs a lot of releases (at least in the first page and a few more in the second and third page too) are listed as CDr.
Most of them seem to be released between 2005 and 2007 but there are other examples also in most recent years.
The highest release listed there as made in 2015 is listed as a CDr too

http://www.discogs.com/label/79704-Retrospect-Records

But probably there are much more which were not specified by the submitters, for various reasons.

The user "hairmetalheaven" is the guy who listed all the cdr version. So I presume the other releases listed as silver printed CD by hairmetalheaven are with great chance "real" silver printed/factory pressed CD.
All the other submissions made by different submitter than hairmetalheaven are - of course - dubious as I've seen a lot of pro CDr on Discogs aren't listed for what they really are, probably for mistake, ignorance or simply for convenience.

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Re: Retrospect/Retroactive Records: which are CDr?

Post#8 » Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:26 pm

Mistrusting as I am, I don't believe silver vs CD-R until I see proper scans. I cannot find a proper scan for any of the CDr marked titles. Most also have really dubious images submitted.

But Retrospect may have made more CD-Rs than I expected.
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Re: Retrospect/Retroactive Records: which are CDr?

Post#9 » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:08 pm

I made a further cut to the list and I excluded:

1) The submission by "hairmetalheaven" who seems quite accurate in listing which is cdr and which is a silver pressed cd. So, with a good percentage of accurate information we can exclude his submission.
2) Those who have a matrix/runout code


I have left only the releases not submitted by harimetalheaven, those with no information about matrix/runout and - of course - those which are not listed at all on Discogs. It becomes shorter but still too long

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Shimrod
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Re: Retrospect/Retroactive Records: which are CDr?

Post#10 » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:56 pm

Beware, some cdrs do have matrix codes. Emerald - Armed for Battle and Banshee - Race Against Time for instance are cdrs and have some.

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Re: Retrospect/Retroactive Records: which are CDr?

Post#11 » Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:28 am

There is hours and hours of reading over at Heavy Harmonies revolving around Sam and his *gulp* record label and the not so above board business practices he keeps. He does release a LOT of unheard of music, but be cautious and do your homework.

I have many Retrospect releases some CDR some not but even some of the silver releases are very poor quality with single one sided front insert and cockeyed printing.

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Post#12 » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:52 am

Is Retrospect still active? Just wondering...

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Re: Retrospect/Retroactive Records: which are CDr?

Post#13 » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:18 pm

I had the Malisha CD. I remember it looking dodgy so I sold it. I can't remember if it was a CDR. But a sticker said only 100 made.

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Re: Retrospect/Retroactive Records: which are CDr?

Post#14 » Fri Jan 08, 2016 12:28 pm

Most of the Christian Metal titles you have listed here are not on the Retrospect label. Retroactive is a completely different non-affiliated label and all their releases are silver pressed and legally licensed.
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Re: Retrospect/Retroactive Records: which are CDr?

Post#15 » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:12 pm

The last part of your statement is NOT true. Some of these CD's are legally licensed, but not all. He's also producing CD's that he does not have the rights for. You mainly find them by watching the cheap/spartan layout that he just took off the demo booklets.
If a band complains about the bootleg he just sends them a backdated contract. THEN it's legally licensed. But I don't wanna know how many bands do not know about his dubious activities ...
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