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Re: Official Heavy Load reissues on No Remorse
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:04 pm
by Avenger
Priamos wrote:Ok, man since you are back in the "civilised track", let's do some more talking if you don't mind.
Are you familiar with the fact that the majority of the "respectful" labels worldwide, had serious or minor bootleg involvement in the past (or even present) and minor or major involvement with other illegal or unethical activities? Do you know that some of the collectors in this forum, have also been involved in dubious practices regarding bootlegs but also other unethical acts? Have you tried to spot all these, expose them publicly and cut them off from your life? After all, is this your aim? To become an inquisitor?? A crusader? If so I respect it, but you need more than 2-3 greek labels and Shadow Kingdom in order to do so.
But let's get back to the "objectively" poor quality. I see an inconsistency here: How rich is the quality of the original mid-late 80s/early 90s CDs, you and some other collectors, seek with so much passion?? If No remorse released, the Heavy Load reissues -for instance-in a Price Killers edition quality would you have been satisfied or have you still been bitching for the low quality? Is it OK to give 100 $ for Price Killers poor quality, but not OK to give 13 Euros for the-not so poor-No Remorse CDs quality? So, after all, are there really some "objective", high quality standards for you to buy a CD or you bend your own rules to whatever fits you?
PS. My arguments were not meant to be insulting or aggressive, just direct and honest. So, please, don't see them as an effort to offend or insult you. My intentions are from neutral to well-meant and I aim at continuing the conversation in a polite manner.
I'm not a copyright office nor a judicial entity.
Suggesting that other labels do it so it shouldn't matter has no logic behind it and gives zero context. If you provide no examples of what you are claiming then I'll write it off as nonsense. I'm aware that a few select members of this forum have had a hand in dubious activities. I've probed for more information in these cases at the time but because they are cowards none of them came forward to discuss it.
I'm also not going to type the same post over and over again when you have already indicated that you ignore the problem. This clearly demonstrates your lack of understanding. Quality is not subjective when talking about a physical object. I'm referring to the materials used in manufacturing the item, making sure measurements are correct, the proper techniques are used, etc. When a "new" sealed CD arrives with inserts that look like they were handled by an eight year old for the last month prior to shipping and the discs are manufactured at the same shitty greek plant the bootlegs come out of that are one step above a CD-R, that is a poor quality item. This has nothing to do with the CONTENT of a booklet. I fail to see how this corresponds to the Pricekillers CD's at all.
A new item should arrive that way. A low quality item should also be priced accordingly. Labels like "no remorse" are in the same tier as Retrospect. They price their CD's below standard market value for a reason.
Re: Official Heavy Load reissues on No Remorse
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:15 pm
by Zdan
I will chime in with this to say:
I have turned many metalheads in my country towards Heavy Load. I believe that band should be celebrated and deserves all the underground recognition they get. However! Allmost all of those people asked me: "where can I buy the CD's?". And as all of you know I had to say - "nowhere". Now if someone wants to hunt down the Japanese King Records copies - that is fine. But that is pricey and hard thing to do with bootlegs and whatnot (plus the fact that the first album and the Metal Conquest EP were never released on CD)
Keeping that in mind - I am happy that No Remorse was able to convince the band to do this. This way more people will be able to own and appreciate Heavy Load music. I agree that No Remorse product was substandard in the past and even recently. I would prefer for High Roller to do this reissue for example. However - beggars cannot be choosers.
Re: Official Heavy Load reissues on No Remorse
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:58 pm
by Priamos
I never thought High Roller as a prime example of high quality reissues (OK stuff undoubtedly)...until the recent Warlord ones! Both were excellent in every aspect! I have lower expectations from the next two (in terms of the bonus content) but I'll probably get them both.
Re: Official Heavy Load reissues on No Remorse
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:46 pm
by Priamos
I have in my hands the new "Stronger Than Evil" reissue (CD) and it's 100% satisfactory to me. The sound is perfect (however take under consideration I'm not hard to please in general and that I aint a sound specialist and purist), it looks great too and the three (plus a drum solo) completely unreleased tracks are definitely worthy to bear the name Heavy Load. They are much better than the average bonus tracks of most reissues, but since I only listened to them once, I can't tell with certainty if they are of similar quality with their album stuff. All in all an essential reissue.
Edit: OK, I listened once more. No doubt the bonus songs are quality stuff but of course they can't match the original album material. Maybe someone could consider them on par (in terms of quality, not sound) with the weaker songs like Saturday Night.
Re: Official Heavy Load reissues on No Remorse
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:37 pm
by Zanker
Got my copy today.
I'll give it a listen this evening.
Looks nice for sure with a heavy booklet (damn! I still need to buy me some reading glasses)
Re: Official Heavy Load reissues on No Remorse
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:31 pm
by Avenger
Priamos wrote:I have in my hands the new "Stronger Than Evil" reissue (CD) and it's 100% satisfactory to me. The sound is perfect (however take under consideration I'm not hard to please in general and that I aint a sound specialist and purist), it looks great too and the three (plus a drum solo) completely unreleased tracks are definitely worthy to bear the name Heavy Load. They are much better than the average bonus tracks of most reissues, but since I only listened to them once, I can't tell with certainty if they are of similar quality with their album stuff. All in all an essential reissue.
Edit: OK, I listened once more. No doubt the bonus songs are quality stuff but of course they can't match the original album material. Maybe someone could consider them on par (in terms of quality, not sound) with the weaker songs like Saturday Night.
Still no mention of the poor quality control standards from the fake "No Remorse" records?
Re: Official Heavy Load reissues on No Remorse
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:17 am
by Priamos
Avenger wrote:Priamos wrote:I have in my hands the new "Stronger Than Evil" reissue (CD) and it's 100% satisfactory to me. The sound is perfect (however take under consideration I'm not hard to please in general and that I aint a sound specialist and purist), it looks great too and the three (plus a drum solo) completely unreleased tracks are definitely worthy to bear the name Heavy Load. They are much better than the average bonus tracks of most reissues, but since I only listened to them once, I can't tell with certainty if they are of similar quality with their album stuff. All in all an essential reissue.
Edit: OK, I listened once more. No doubt the bonus songs are quality stuff but of course they can't match the original album material. Maybe someone could consider them on par (in terms of quality, not sound) with the weaker songs like Saturday Night.
Still no mention of the poor quality control standards from the fake "No Remorse" records?
As far as I know, the Wahlquist brothers had total control on the final result of the reissue and they seem to me perfectionists. I doubt if they would have left something released unless they were 100% satisfied.
Re: Official Heavy Load reissues on No Remorse
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:35 am
by Avenger
Priamos wrote:Avenger wrote:Priamos wrote:I have in my hands the new "Stronger Than Evil" reissue (CD) and it's 100% satisfactory to me. The sound is perfect (however take under consideration I'm not hard to please in general and that I aint a sound specialist and purist), it looks great too and the three (plus a drum solo) completely unreleased tracks are definitely worthy to bear the name Heavy Load. They are much better than the average bonus tracks of most reissues, but since I only listened to them once, I can't tell with certainty if they are of similar quality with their album stuff. All in all an essential reissue.
Edit: OK, I listened once more. No doubt the bonus songs are quality stuff but of course they can't match the original album material. Maybe someone could consider them on par (in terms of quality, not sound) with the weaker songs like Saturday Night.
Still no mention of the poor quality control standards from the fake "No Remorse" records?
As far as I know, the Wahlquist brothers had total control on the final result of the reissue and they seem to me perfectionists. I doubt if they would have left something released unless they were 100% satisfied.
Based on what I've heard this is true.
I'm interested in the bonus tracks so I might look into these.
Re: Official Heavy Load reissues on No Remorse
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:59 pm
by nonserviam
I got the vinyl release yesterday. Looks good and sounds good. The only thing is that I wished they had made a 2-LP version instead of putting the bonustracks on a CD.
Re: Official Heavy Load reissues on No Remorse
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:47 pm
by Le fjump
T-shirt in the box was not too appealing.
Re: Official Heavy Load reissues on No Remorse
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:11 pm
by doomedplanet
yes, I passed on the vinyl for exactly this reason. Did get the cd and will probably get the other cds as they come out if the bonus material is not packaged on vinyl too
nonserviam wrote:I got the vinyl release yesterday. Looks good and sounds good. The only thing is that I wished they had made a 2-LP version instead of putting the bonustracks on a CD.
Re: Official Heavy Load reissues on No Remorse
Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:27 am
by Zanker
Le fjump wrote:T-shirt in the box was not too appealing.
I had the same with that scarf that came with the pre-order for the CD version.
Re: Official Heavy Load reissues on No Remorse
Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 1:24 pm
by wicked keeper
Well frankly I'm shocked to read that those No Remorse scarves are not as appealing in real life as they appeared online....
Re: Official Heavy Load reissues on No Remorse
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:08 am
by Metalion_SOS
This tells me all I need to know about these re-issues - this music deserves better (which is the Japanese pressings)!
http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/144246
Re: Official Heavy Load reissues on No Remorse
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:38 am
by Avenger
Not that I disagree but if you are truly an audiophile that puts great priority on loudness levels and sound compression then easily 90% of new releases will be a waste of your time. Also, might want to change which genre you listen to as most obscure metal was originally recorded with whatever was available and studio standards were often an after thought.
Your only safe place will be 80's and early 90's pressings on major labels which is a pretty short list.