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Re: "Collector Porn" - Vinyl, Tapes & Merch (2015)

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perishinflames wrote:Missed this thread, ogling all the goodies I will never own
OmenOfSteel wrote:I know I'm the only one on earth loving DARK AGES
Nope 8)
Ha!!

I also dig the VAMPYRS demotapes a lot that were released after the MEDIEVAL SORCERY MLP, featuring Erin Jean of DARK AGES.
These tapes are frentic Speed Metal with more aggressive vocals by Erin, church-organ, thrash parts... wild stuff!
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lunaboy wrote:This is RETARDED. I'm METALHEAD at first.And just Collector as NEXT.
But you are not the sun-king or middle of the universe.
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Re: "Collector Porn" - Vinyl, Tapes & Merch (2015)

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OmenOfSteel wrote:
lunaboy wrote:This is RETARDED. I'm METALHEAD at first.And just Collector as NEXT.
But you are not the sun-king or middle of the universe.
Yes.I'm NOT. But I'm happy with that. Life is not just wet-pink-dream .
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Re: "Collector Porn" - Vinyl, Tapes & Merch (2015)

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The point is, people might use their ears and not bank cheques. :wink:
You don't have to be a musician to hear how poor and crappy a Witch sounds, or Dark Ages, The Plads, Wheelz of Steel and what do I know or unbearable vocalist albums like Solar Eagle, Street Child, Strike Lord and what do I know ...
But instead (and I don't attack Dirty Rocker just to make that point clear) those below average records are being bought for hundreds of $$ and instead realizing and staying true to yourself and telling everyone that they are indeed horrible crap, the next mythos of an immortal classic is getting created so that the youngs guys living in absolutely devotion to the old collectors and do not even dare to say something against them and their "doubtable treasures" are getting "convinced" to like that crap too but in real those records are stored in the shelf and never getting out again till they found someone who pays the same amount that they have paid just to not lose their money. And the other collector who bought the record by hear say (told by collectors who just don't want that the sillyness of a shitty rare and expensive record to be known because they wouldn't find anyone wanting to spent 500 $ for it anymore) is forced to carry on with the fantastic story of that "GREAT SUPER RARE RECORD" just to get quickly rid of it and next time instead is buying a "Master of puppets" in the shop around the corner because he knows that it's a top Metal album. And everyone who says it is not has got no taste. :lol:
How can I take someone serious who praises a Wheelz of Steel??? I mean even my cat was running out of the room immediately when I played the samples!
And last time that Real Steel 7" sold at ebay for 500 $ (or how much was it). There have been samples up in the auction! Nobody can be that deaf to not hear that these guys wasn't able to compose a real song. It sounded like modern early 90's Power/Thrash!
(I have to admit that there are indeed people out there who are into that stuff, they might not get offended please. I meant guys/collectors who are just hunting a record because it's rare and expensive. I bet these collectors don't have the equally shitty late 80's/early 90's albums of Testament, Nuclear Assault, Slayer, Anthrax etc... in their collection. :wink: )
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Re: "Collector Porn" - Vinyl, Tapes & Merch (2015)

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The Plads are a bit weak, I'll give you that. "Sukiyaki", for crying out loud. There's great fascination in the clumsiness of someone like Wheelz of Steel though, but I wouldn't pay triple figures for those albums. I think Dwarr is definitely superior to both in terms of musical mood. Duane doesn't deserve that derision.
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First I have to say I very much enjoy your reviews on the Metalpage, because they are honest. 100%.
On the other hand I sometimes wonder why you keep buying so many obscure/unknown records at all, because you seem to like only a very very small portion of them. Still you keep all of them in your collection (I think...?). This does not make any sense to me, I for example keep only what I like. Be it for the music, the lyrics, the cover, the rarity. But to each his own.

And thats the point: Only because YOU think HAMMER WITCH sucks, it is not univeral truth ;-) HAMMER WITCH is US Power Metal close to perfection.

Sometimes (and this is not directed to you Prowler) I get the impression that people throwing mud on expensive records are simply the ones who dont own them or cannot afford them, out of pure envy.

However, my all-time TOP record probably is METAL FROM HELL. Musicianship on this record for sure isnt outstanding and I am searching since 25 years unsuccessful for any record with a worse sound (okay, EXTERMINATOR is worse). And still M.F.H. eats every Metallica or Priest or Maiden LP for breakfast. But I'm aware this is MY taste only and I have given up on trying to enlighten the world many many years ago, haha.

KILLEN is great, DARK AGES is even better in its own unique way, STREET CHILD totally crushes and all of them are superior to DISSECTION CAN (which is also very good tough).

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OmenOfSteel wrote:First I have to say I very much enjoy your reviews on the Metalpage, because they are honest. 100%.
On the other hand I sometimes wonder why you keep buying so many obscure/unknown records at all, because you seem to like only a very very small portion of them. Still you keep all of them in your collection (I think...?). This does not make any sense to me, I for example keep only what I like. Be it for the music, the lyrics, the cover, the rarity. But to each his own.

And thats the point: Only because YOU think HAMMER WITCH sucks, it is not univeral truth ;-) HAMMER WITCH is US Power Metal close to perfection.

Sometimes (and this is not directed to you Prowler) I get the impression that people throwing mud on expensive records are simply the ones who dont own them or cannot afford them, out of pure envy.

However, my all-time TOP record probably is METAL FROM HELL. Musicianship on this record for sure isnt outstanding and I am searching since 25 years unsuccessful for any record with a worse sound (okay, EXTERMINATOR is worse). And still M.F.H. eats every Metallica or Priest or Maiden LP for breakfast. But I'm aware this is MY taste only and I have given up on trying to enlighten the world many many years ago, haha.

KILLEN is great, DARK AGES is even better in its own unique way, STREET CHILD totally crushes and all of them are superior to DISSECTION CAN (which is also very good tough).

Tastes are like assholes, everybody has one...
Well, the stuff I buy is cheap crap, not worth spending a single minute about sending over the few bucks/Euros or not.
Therefore I can view on it with a clean mind. If it's crap I'll throw it away (I keep everything mostly though unless it's non-Metal/Hard Rock/AOr or really really bad). Why I'm doing that? Well it doesn't hurt me. My finances are very well, I get my monthly salary and it is enough to buy what I want.
I could surely re-sell all the stuff easily for the same Euro that I bought it for. But I know myself that some them like Dezztroyers, Rockfire, Trademark, Number Nine, Limerick, Courage, Pars, Backstage singles are pretty rare items that you won't find every month. If they'd have cost me 40 E per piece then without question I'd sell them to another collector quickly and buying other stuff instead. But they have been so cheap that I put them in my german Metal collection for others to hear if they want that. Space isn't limited at all ...

I do not buy unknown 500 $ records, otherwise I'd have to shoot myself afterwards if it turns out to sound like Hammer Witch, Wheelz of Steel or Dark Ages or "Metal from hell" (the album is ok, but vocals are out of tune).
As I said I know that I'm not the only one thinking that way, but amoung just a handful of other "nay-saysers" I just say what I think. Of course I know that tastes are different but c'mon Wheel of Steel!!! DWARR!!! Against "Final genocide", "Stricken by might" or "Master of puppets" ... haha
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there is no need to be obnoxious. stating opinions like absolute facts makes prowler an absolute fucking joke.you truly are NOT any special flake.
Patrik has tons of money, so what? i wish i also did and didnt need to wait til i find my wants for nothing(=never).he didnt steal it out of your pocket. at least he doesnt insult people assuming an offensive stance like a five year old sucking his thumb because oh i am so butthurt like milko does.
as for metalhead vs collector we have discussed this countless of times. they are not the same but they overlap a lot.
nice records by the way,i would be envious but those i like, i already have :D
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I'm amused to see something likeable but corny like Stricken by Might mentioned in the same breath as a groundbreaker like Master of Puppets, but that's me.

Also... http://gawker.com/5965417/on-butthurt
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MassOfKthulu wrote:there is no need to be obnoxious. stating opinions like absolute facts makes prowler an absolute fucking joke.you truly are NOT any special flake.
Patrik has tons of money, so what? i wish i also did and didnt need to wait til i find my wants for nothing(=never).he didnt steal it out of your pocket. at least he doesnt insult people assuming an offensive stance like a five year old sucking his thumb because oh i am so butthurt like milko does.
as for metalhead vs collector we have discussed this countless of times. they are not the same but they overlap a lot.
nice records by the way,i would be envious but those i like, i already have :D
The only one who is insulting people is YOU!
Where did I insult Dirty Rocker? Did I call him a fucking joke or a dumb sucking fartface or was it YOU?
Maybe you better read and understand what you're reading before your spilling your fucked up brain hatred upon mankind.
When I insulted anything here then it was a few crappy records. I respect any person and his opinion about a record. But all things have 2 point of views. And there's always someone like you who is taking everything too serious and putting things in someone's mouth that he NEVER said! Think before you speak. You're prohably working for the greek gouverment. The also don't think before they are speaking!
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Let's keep this place friendly and not turn it into one of those hostile places we have too many of.

Here is the simple outcome, no matter what ANYBODY says, Taste is different from person to person. Nothing is right and nothing is wrong and that's it. People spend endless of money on a new car - I choose not to cos i don't find that important in life. Im FAR from rich and 90% of the pictured records I got through trade for records I spent far from market value for long time ago. I'm a carpenter, I'm not the founder of facebook.

About the collector aspect, I have had all those maiden vinyls, Judas Priest albums etc but sold them all to contribute financially to my fascination for obscure metal. Some say I'm a retard, but then again it's just a matter of taste and opinions - ALL THINK DIFFERENTLY. I'm very determined to get those records back again at some point, all I have to do is to go to the nearest flea market or record shop and get them.

With this said, have a great weekend, I'm on my way to another city to watch SATAN play live. They're not iron maiden, but I love them anyway.
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Prowler wrote: Where did I insult Dirty Rocker?
I didnt see Prowler insulting anyone either. His taste sometimes is a pain in the butt but I guess that counts for most folks on here, as undeniable MY taste is the best of course.

And back on topic:
I never like DARK STARR, it just bores the hell outta me and I never heard any LEGEND-similarities that I always keep reading about.
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Re: Another thread about which rarities are overrated and which aren't...

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Prowler wrote:if you like Killen you cannot like Messiah
Of course, just like you cannot possibly like Blue Öyster Cult if you like Bathory :roll:

2 of my fave US Metal albums of all time.
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Off topic(??): I think it's pathetic, when someone doesn't have logical arguments in order to confront in a civilised way someone who disagrees with, he resorts to either personal insults or hidden racist comments concerning nationality, religion etc. I'm afraid Corro is full of this shit and since big boss (DaN) is democratic enough (and we thank him for this) not to interfere and enforce good manners, it depends on each one of us to self-censor and show self-control.

On Topic: I think many of the expensive rare records are overrated shit. The reason is simple. Most of the prices are fabricated and not a result of a normal offer-demand deal. I followed the early-mid 90s rare records frenzy (although I didn't participated). Then, few major dealers determined which the prices of some records will be, surrounding them by the aura of cult, rare, masterpiece. These records became an "establishment" that few dared to question their true quality. If someone did so, it was "because of envy". The truth is that most of them wouldn't have survived the test of time if they had the availability and the pathetic cover artwork of an album like Dammaj, for instance (which is a masterpiece but, due to these factors, never received the admiration and the respect it deserved).
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Re: Another thread about which rarities are overrated and which aren't...

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Rarities that are overrated? Satan's Host obviously. When it comes to NWOBHM: Tyrant - Hold Back the Lightning 7". Can't stand those vocals.

Also, most of those 90's private heavy/thrash CDs that are sold for insane price are total crap.
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